Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 September 2010
09:2372240That is what I am coming to see just great but the wife will not think so but she is so good she will not say so.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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24 September 2010
10:0072251The death penalty, years ago, along with transportation, branding, putting in stocks and pillory, saved having to keep people in prisons and feed them.
Stealing from or breaking into people's property, and robbery on the highway, were considered to be most serious crimes, and were capital offences.
Prisons were generally only for remand (usually very short) until the case was heard.
In the old debtors' prison in Dover Castle prisoners there were not fed and their families and friends had to bring them food.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 September 2010
10:4272258Lots of good ideas there Kath for the Justice Secretary in these cash short times, specially the latter idea.
24 September 2010
10:5972264Yes - let's simply cull anyone we don't like. Disabled people cost a fortune these days, and so do the long term sick. People with mental health issues often behave erratically or anti-socially and mental health care is so expensive these days. Anyone want to add to the list?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 September 2010
11:0172267could i just add anyone with ginger hair?
24 September 2010
11:0372270Can of worms, Howard, can of worms...................
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 September 2010
11:3172278All East European Poles...you can start with me
Marek
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 September 2010
14:1172305It should be noted that Iran is objecting to the execution and (with some justification) accusing America of holding double standards by executing this woman while objecting to their stoning women to death. The killing of anyone is murder, no matter how many legal proviso's you wrap it up in, and cannot be justified.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 September 2010
14:1972307I could not disagree more Chris.
To execute someone guilty of premeditated murder after a fair trial is not the same as the crime that brought about the legal process.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 September 2010
14:5672315It could also be argued that the judge and jury at her trial are guilty of the same crime as they have arranged for someone to kill her; should they now face execution?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
24 September 2010
15:2772321Ha!! Nice one!
Perhaps if they are learning disabled they would have a better chance of execution?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 September 2010
15:3272322I do not accept the idea of moral equivalence, utter nonsense.
Keith Sansum1
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24 September 2010
21:1572360CHRIS P
I also agree with you
and might I say, well said !!!
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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25 September 2010
10:4572424In the current Big Issue magazine, which often feature`s some interesting items, and this one coincidently appropriate for this thread, I`ve just read that there are approximately 3,300 people on death row in the States awaiting execution, housed in solitary cells, and sometimes waiting years for execution to take place. Very strange the American system at times.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 September 2010
10:5672428One of the problems there is the overly extended appeals process. That devalues any deterrance affect.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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26 September 2010
01:4272543Dreadful system, this appeals process, too much chance of miscarriages being found out.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
26 September 2010
07:2272544BarryW.you have to be kidding? First: there is no deterrance effect - if there were the jails would be empty. Second: the appeals process has to be that long because so many mistakes are made, some intentionally. Third: sitting on death row for 20 years would be enough of a deterrent if any deterrance ever worked. That alone indicates the lack of any deterrance effect whatever we put in place. It is not punishments that deter - there is usually some synapse in those repeat offenders or risk takers that disables their perception orf risk. it is not as simple, sadly, as punishment=deterrance.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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26 September 2010
07:2272545I'm with you chris on this one
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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26 September 2010
19:2772640Deterence in murder cases is relatively meaningless as most killings are spur of the moment and often the result of emotional turmoil. Those planned murders, for revenge or financial gain, are normally carried out by those arrogant enough to be sure that they are justified and will get away with it. The first group can be helped and the second deserve to rot in prison suffering the loss they have caused others.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
26 September 2010
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