Jan Higgins
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My sympathies to the families and the regiment, present and past.
Ian
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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please give your opinion ian as far as i remember you always keep within the rules anyway.
this is a very interesting thread with views either way fairly evenly balanced about whether our troops should be there.
Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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It is always very sad to hear this kind of news, and knowing that they were so young makes it even sadder, they do one hell of a job for Queen and country, I can only say that with a sad heart I for one am proud of our service men and women.
Ian I think that the posts from you Ted and Guzzler say anything that either John or I would want to say on this better than we could
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Thank you to the posters who understand why our troops are there. Thank you for the sympathy for relatives.
For those that think and post otherwise, GET used to it and stop whining.
The troops are there until the end of 2014, do you hear them whining.
they have a job to finish irrespective of your negative views and finish it they will.
Howard, I was very close after post 7 of being banned for life.
It's all very well making statements that you neither understand nor give encouragement to people that may be looking in from foreign countries. ( wink,wink)
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#39
#45
Won't comment further but those who know, know.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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"The Ulema's edict allows the beating of women".
Yes, a new law has been put forward today in Afghanistan, from president Karzai in person.
Sky News reports also: "The Afghan president has been accused of selling out women's rights to placate the Taliban after endorsing a religious edict that makes the country's women second-class citizens."
Further laws, apart from the already mentioned beating of women, include: "women cannot refuse to have sex with their husbands, should wear full hijab, should respect polygamy, and should not mingle "with strange men in various social activities such as education, in bazaars, in offices and other aspects of life"."
My Christian Faith forbids me to endorse the sacrifice of our soldiers to impose western customs on other populations. I see here that president Karzai of Afghanistan, whose government western soldiers are fighting for, thinks nothing of our customs.
He says women can be beaten....
The only way forward to solve the Afghanistan crisis is to ask Mr. Karzai and the Taliban, with whom he shares plenty in common, to come to an agreement to end their war.
And for our Government to bring our soldiers home immediately.
I read on Sky today that four of the six families of our fallen soldiers held a tearful tribute.
"Mrs Charlesworth added that Pte Frampton was scared of going to Afghanistan but that "he had got his head around it".
"He knew there were dangers, he knew the risks. I don't think he fully understood until he lost one of his best mates a few months ago, Sheldon, who was one of the last ones killed."
"He went a little bit off the rails with that. He wasn't 100% sure that he wanted to go but,..."
"His mother, Monica Kershaw, said: "I said, 'Be careful. I want you to come back but I don't want you to come back in a wooden box,' and he said, 'I won't mum. I am not that stupid."
I believe the other two families were too distressed to take part in the tribute.
No-one among the stricken mothers and fathers and family members at the Tribute spoke one word about the Afghan population in Helmand. They had lost their dear ones who were the light in their life.
And don't believe that anyone among the population in Helmand even gave one thought for these families in their hour of sore grief.
God bless the souls of these young men. God help their loved ones through the dark years of grief and sorrow that lay ahead of them.
The day will come when the Lord will wipe the tears from the eyes of those who believe in Him, and grief and sorrow will be no more.
I believe this thread was started to show respect and share condolances about the deaths of 6 servicemen In my opinion it should be used for this again in my opinion anyone who wishes to debate the rights and or wrongs of the conflict in question should start their own thread to do so. Not hijack a thread about grief. Again, in my opinion to continue to do so could be viewed as at the best insensitive and at the worst deliberatly provocative. One of the best gifts of free speech is having the ability to realise when and where to use it.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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On a human note, my lovely son in law who is in the Forces goes to Afghanistan very soon. I wish he didn't have to go.
Sarah, as always, a good post
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Very good luck to him Bern and his safe return.
Thank you Barry.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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I first read this post when it had drifted off so glad to see it come back.
Sympathies to all involved Ian, I thought the tribute given by the commanding officer on tv last night was the most moving I have seen.
Best wishes to your son-in-law Bern for his safe return.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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If family members knew of this forum I'm sure they would reply. negativity........you never hear it from their loved ones so please don't post any on this thread. You know who you are. Thank you Sarah.
Give my best wishes to the son- in-law Bern I wish him a speedy and safe tour of duty.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Bern all the very best to your son in law
Thanks chaps. His Mother is feeling it deeply. Of course. Thank you all for your kind thoughts. He is such a great guy.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#48 Thank you Sarah
My sincere condolences go out to their families and friends, so so sad and far far too young.
Ian, Guzzler and Ted, appreciate your postings, no one could say it better on here.
Bern, my thoughts and prayers are truly with your Son-in-law and his dear Mother.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This thread was posted to say that there is a mission to finish, meaning a war to continue with more deaths of British soldiers to come and more wounded.
Demanding that no-one be allowed to comment on that is an attempt to impose a war censor to force other people to be quiet. I deeply resent this.
Further more, it was meant to put words in the mouths of all British soldiers going to Afghanistan, so a few authentic words what one soldier really said before being killed was due.
In fact, these boys did not want to die. Here it started off sounding as if they wanted to die and were happy to do so.
There is a general public outcry against this war, and a thread cannot become a means of intimidation against other poster not to express their opinions on a senseless waste of life, which is how so many people here in our Country describe it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the overwhelming view of members is that this thread is just kept as a condolences one, the politics of the situation has been done on so many threads.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The only person putting words into the mouths of the troops is you Alexander. No-one joins the British Army or goes on operations wanting to die so that comment is irrelevant. They do, however want to do their duty and are willing to take risks in fulfilling that duty. Also, you will find that they believe in what they are doing out there as well and their criticism of the arbitrary pull out date is that it may not give them time to finish their mission. Every old soldier on here will tell you this and it is echoed in the words of the young men and women on the frontline.
They deserve our greatest respect and gratitude and when there are losses even more so. The British Army do not take kindly to those who suggest they should turn tail and run even when they take some terrible losses.
Now is a time to think of them and their losses not to damn what they are doing so bravely or to misrepresent their words and feelings.
