A little something for jan.
- Jan Higgins
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20 October 2013 08:53249050Alexander wrote.........."People are judged by their words." .......in your case I could not agree more.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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20 October 2013 08:56249052to true janALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 20 October 2013 10:06249069Oh, if only I had the courage to post what I've just deleted
- Keith Sansum1
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20 October 2013 10:13249071RAY; Have the courage lol
Lesley;
I partly agree with you, with the issue of Closed minds, obviously around the religion issue Alexander has a closed mind which of course is his right, as it is for others to question it.
Its interesting point you make on experts, im willing to take on board what people say and make my own mind up
there are so many subjects where you can have SO Called experts from both sides of campsALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 20 October 2013 10:26249077Keith, I think you and Lesley have largely said it for me, but in a much more polite way!
- Keith Sansum1
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20 October 2013 10:29249078Havn't been called polite for some time on here Ray thankyou lol
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Keith Sansum1
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20 October 2013 10:53249084I agree with post 55ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 20 October 2013 14:53249116I have my own website to write about the English Church, I'll keep to that.
I see no need to be constantly wound up by people whose only point is to systematically offend me.
No more on this matter any more here. Enough!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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20 October 2013 17:26249139nah just tirned the other cheek. - Keith Sansum1
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20 October 2013 22:57249190spot on LesleyALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 21 October 2013 00:09249195Lesley, you exclude debate, telling one person to be quiet and bow to the expertise of another person deemed "expert".
Are you telling me not to believe in Creation?
Of-course you are free to believe in what you want, that is part of freedom of choice.
But telling me to renege my Christian Faith and bow to an error takes some courage!
It will never happen!
You asked a question, about Adam and Eve, and didn't like the answer.
That leaves you with Ray's alternative.
Some people believe in Darwin's evolutionist theory, but clearly they cannot represent the Church in England.
The Church cannot renege the Gospel.
This is a simple fact!
As far as science goes, I have not seen any expertise explanation from Ray to the question I asked.
He withdrew from the topic unable to give any answer.
That explains everything. There is not such a thing as cell evolution into animals and humans.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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21 October 2013 07:43249204Alexander D wrote:I have my own website to write about the English Church, I'll keep to that.
I see no need to be constantly wound up by people whose only point is to systematically offend me.
No more on this matter any more here. Enough!
Yet you still continue to post on this.
As much as I do not wish to be Ray's spokesman he is fed up trying to explain proven scientific facts to someone who refuses to believe what he is being told.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------------------------- - 21 October 2013 09:08249211Thanks Jan!
I would like to add that many scientists who understand genetics and evolution have a Christian faith, neither they nor the church see one as excluding the other.
As for providing evidence, you don't do that by writing on a blog, you do it by the scientific method of publishing original research in a peer-reviewed journal with sufficient information to allow anyone else to duplicate the research, some examples relevant to the current discussion for those with an open mind -
How and when did microbes change the world?
It is now agreed that animals evolved from choanozoan protozoa and that sponges are the most primitive extant animals. - 21 October 2013 12:51249234Many have been led astray by the evolutionist proponents, not because they understand what they are proposing, but because they do not understand one iota of it.
They think it must be true, if so many complicated and impossible explanations are given, especially when knowledge of ancient Greek is required to even try to decipher their explanations (see Ray's links).
Because these lost sheep erroneously think they are confronted with superior knowledge of which they understand and comprehend nothing, they give in and fall for it.
The proponents habitually make use of phrases such as "it has been agreed...."; "it has been proven..."; "it is a proven fact..."; and thus the lost sheep are led astray, ashamed of opposing any intellectual resistance to the complicated explanations of which they understand absolutely nothing and which they do not even read, owing to the sheer incomprehensible and chaotic non-identity of what is being put before them on the BBC-type forms of mass communication, which are State-run and construed according to an agenda.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 21 October 2013 13:33249236speaking from a strong position of ignorance does the creation theory apply just us humans or embrace other life forms?
just wondering too what percentage of christians and muslims do still believe in creation. - 21 October 2013 17:08249253Officially, Howard, the Church of England gave in to the evolutionist theory and made an apology to Darwin in 2008.
That means the official stance there is that man descends from apes.
This is where they departed from the Gospel.
If God was incapable of creating human beings, then He was incapable of creating animals, and perhaps didn't create Light either, hence Darwin was right, and the Gospel was wrong.
The Gospel teaches entirely differently, and is very specific, but you may have to find the answer.
God wasn't incapable, but the Church of England was incapable of holding true to the Gospel.
Look up Saint John's Gospel, Howard, you won't need to read far to find the answer to your question.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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21 October 2013 23:14249274it gets baffling as it goes on
Alexander you say you attend a church of England church
yet in post 67 you state they have got it wrong
baffling isnt it
I think post 64 hits the nail on the headALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 22 October 2013 01:03249291You are WRONG, Keith, as you full well know.
I have never said I attend a Church of England Church, but an English Church!
You try to ram words in my mouth that I have never said, and do this in public.
You have already been told not to do so.
You falsely profess the freedom of views, and yet are continually trying to change my Christian Faith with repeated false statements, knowing these to be false!
Sounds harsh, but needs to be repeated whenever you come out with it.
I will enter any English church open to the Public that I so feel like entering.
And before you sound off with your "queen the supreme governor" phrase, she is not my supreme governor, and you have been told by other posters on this Forum to stop your puerile nonsense of attributing false statements to me which offend my Christian Faith.
I hope this sends an unequivocal message!
And before you sound off, I don't attend services, but simply worship in English churches, as is my right as a member of the English Church.
I don't believe in sedition within the Christian Faith and acknowledge the One Only English Church founded in Kent and Northumbria in the sixth and seventh centuries that has Jesus Christ as its leader and Supreme Governor.
What other people wish to believe in is their own choice.
I don't ram phrases in other people's mouth, contrary to you.
You appear to have a problem, Keith, regarding my Christian Faith.
Are you working as a commissar? Seriously. It appears to be so.
This is your problem, not mine, Keith.
I don't have a problem with my Christian Faith, you do have a problem with MY Christian Faith.
Interesting!
The Church of England, furthermore, which bases its origins in the 16th century to Henry VIII, has submitted to the Darwin view of the evolutionist error, and has publicly made an apology to Darwin, thus reneging unequivocally the Gospel of John, chapter 1.
The apology, with its consequent act of reneging Saint John's Gospel, is public.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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22 October 2013 09:59249307I think Alexander i have no problem what your faith is, who you believe in , what the church of england does,
what the English church does, who believes what.
What im happy to debate, and thats the big word ,,,,,,, debate,,,,,
is the openess for all faiths or a number of faiths to be taught in schools and why not.
Children are not silly, and you would be surprized on how informed many of them are, and do make there minds up themselves.
My post on the general English church is that if it has a connection to the CofE which I understood was the case, then maybe that is a problem. not for me but for you if you was unaware.
Neil explained the issue really well and certainly appears to look at the issue in a total unbiased way, in a move to actually encourage people into the faith, whilst recognising there are a number of people out there that dont share his faith for a number of reasons, but that doesnt stop him respecting other peoples viewsALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 22 October 2013 14:16249361Sorry, I seem to have blundered into a meeting of the Flat Earth Society, I was looking for the Higgs Boson discussion...
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