Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Lithuanians tend to be friendly and social, but in general, to be fair, many eastern Europeans presently in England rely on their minimum wage job as a matter of urgency, and do not deserve outright resentment, as it is the fault of the EU system that their countries and our Country are in such an economic mess.
It is not the fault of the young people coming to work.
In my view, the Government should make an urgent distinction between Eastern Europeans who are currently employed, and those of whom it can be reasonably stated that they have come for the sole purpose of living off benefits, usually with the whole tribe.
The other day I saw one child urinating in public in front of a block of houses on the bottom of Military Road, while another one was mocking, saying in English "Excuse me!"
Evidently they had already been asked not to do such practices, but do it on purpose and take the mick out of us.
Otherwise they only speak in Slovak. NOT Polish!
I ask myself how many more could come over and settle here, even if they do not support themselves and their families, but depend on sheer benefits, and get immediate free housing too.
As for the working Poles, Lithuanians and others, even if we left the EU today, I would promote the idea of giving these people a 6 month to 1 year stay in work in England, so they have time to prepare for a change, and so that their home countries have time to prepare and create more local employment.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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alexander
As for the working Poles, Lithuanians and others, even if we left the EU today, I would promote the idea of giving these people a 6 month to 1 year stay in work in England, so they have time to prepare for a change, and so that their home countries have time to prepare and create more local employment.
And in the meantime the British can just hang on the dole for a bit longer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the home secretary said earlier about special measures being planned to stop any influx of people from greece if their country leaves the eurozone.
this is the day after the announcement of the immigration control failures.
if she cannot keep the lid on non europeans how can she on people who are entitled to move freely from one member state to another?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Labour or Tory have no desire of to stop mass migration
In fact David Cameron is trying to give 90 million Turkish the rights to move around the EU
This will probably happen, now the old French president got the boot,
He was the biggest opposition to them joining the EU
ps
But all the empty shops in Dover will probably become kebab shops
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In fact, no, Keith.
My programme is as follows:
Training courses would be provided for local people to work in factories and on farms, also as carers and nurses, and domestic work too such as caring for children of working families with a high income, and also brick-layers, carpenters... while still keeping the present training courses, such as Pitman Training and Kent College and similar, for those who pursue computer training.
Presently, in Britain, there are no incentives to train local people to do factory and farm work - apart from the actual farm owners and line leaders in factories, as it seems that EU legislation, albeit unofficially, all but banned British people from this kind of work.
Seasonal farm work and factory employment used to guarantee work for millions more Brits than is now the case, even just 20 years ago.
It would take at least a year to train a few million people and slowly get them into this sort of employment, and meanwhile, the Eastern European workers would gradually leave, as the vast majority of them only come for a few years, earn and save what they can, and then return home and are replaced by others.
They rarely come to settle here permanently.
So, meanwhile, those leaving would not be replaced by others from the East of Europe, while those still in employment would have time to adjust. In other words, there would be no abrupt rupture, no upsetting mass-exodus of people, but a controlled and humane change-over.
I would also strongly recommend that eastern European states save themselves from EU bankruptcy and failure during this transition period, as many of their people work in Germany and other western EU countries, as well as Britain.
They would have this precious window of about 1 year to prepare themselves for better local productivity, such as more local farm work and industry in their own towns and villages, and find trading partners in Russia, Asia and Africa.
The whole EU subsidy system is obviously going to end, and obviously these eastern European states need time to readjust.
Meanwhile, local British people would be doing training courses to work in factories, do seasonal farm work (even part-time), and would also receive a good income while on training. I would go as far as suggesting £2,000 a month for a 3-6 month training period and gradual entry into employment.
After which, they can choose whether to work full-time or part-time, with a minimum wage of at least £10 an hour as prices stand now.
Forget political parties, Keith, as I have already tried these proposals in one party, and got no-where.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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certainly a lively thread
peter g
its just the type of RUMOUR you have put up that starts the fall outs people believe it whether its true or not.
i came across a load of such RUMOURS in my time none could be substantiated.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Not a rumour Keith, was widely reported in the press that a major meat supplier for Asda had that policy, and similar reports more recently if I recall..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257784/Biggest-Asda-meat-supplier-excludes-English-speakers-instructions-given-Polish.html
(and don't say it can't be true cos' it's in The Mail
)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there hae been reports of similar incidents in the times and independent, both newspapers do not do daily mail type stories.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ray;
the daily mail
that says it all
probably totaly untrue then
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the times and independent keith?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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If iv read this correctly ASDA is the one that highlighted/wuldn't employ UK
workers unless they speak polish
if this is correct i think i will drop them a line, as i cant for the life of me see how they can justify it
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no you haven't read it right keith it is asda's biggest meat supplier.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ah thats easerly solved,learn polish.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Not a RUMOUR any more then Keith. If it was in the Mail it must be true.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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oh dear rumour
probably nowt in it
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Oh dear,
Labour still in denial at the hardships they have inflicted on there own working class core voters.
There still not listening
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith S, did you actually read the article? It also mentions suspected exploitation of eastern European workers. In this particular case it was shifts of 10 hours, and the article also mentions verbal abuse in some factories against foreign workers.
It also explains that foreign workers tend not to complain to their employers when they feel something is wrong with their working conditions.
Try reading the article, and compare it to the original ideals of socialist policies of once upon a time in factories!
What New Labour of T. Blair did was to revert society back in the direction of the Industrial Revolution, with agencies employing people for as little as possible, for as many hours as possible, and no sickness money, no holiday money, no redundancy money,
And the right to lay them off at a moment's notice.
This is one reason why so many English factories took to employing foreign labour!
The Daily Mail has nothing to do with these decisions, they have merely reported them, the article being dated 2010 by the way, when Labour was still in government.
Perhaps, Keith S, you ought to read the link?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith B, did you read my post 25 in reply to your observation?
What do you think, does it sound a reasonable idea? Certainly better than anything you'd hear from a political party, I think.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Yes Alexander,
But you could probably get 3 or 4 fag papers between us
But close enough, But that's jus politics
Wages need to go up ,but we still need to be competitive, more so when delivering services to the taxpayer,
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In my economic plans, Keith B., there would be a devaluation of the super-pound, but without inflation. At present, the pound is too strong, and prevents fair trade with other countries and continents (except western EU states, USA, Canada and Australia/New Zealand, who all have super currencies like we do).
Although some eastern EU states use the euro, but not all do, they have a much lower average national salary when calculated in pounds.
In other words, in Poland, the average factory wage, from zloty to euro, is about 400 euro a month, but the prices of food and housing are a lot lower than in Britain.
So we can hardly export to Poland, but find it cheaper to import from there.
In India, the average national salary, calculated from rupee to pounds, is probably 50 pounds a month, or perhaps 100, so we can hardly export to that country, whereas it is cheap to import from India all sorts of products that once we produced ourselves.
China: the same as India.
Hence, we need to address this policy, which at present is based on UNFAIR trade, as some countries, including ours, cannot export their goods fairly, but only import them at rubbish prices.
What we need to do, is to either decrease the cost of food and housing in the UK, and consequently decrease the salaries, or, devalue the super-pound, or a combination of both.
We need to get to a situation where the average wage of a British worker is such that we can offer our products to Poland AND India AND China.
The problem is, in Speculation.com UK, houses are valued at 5-10 times their proper market value, which affects mortgages and rent, and this is the root of our economic problems.
A similar house in India to one of our average English homes, and I'm not talking here of shanty towns or huts, but equivalent houses, costs about 5,000 to 10,000 pounds, when calculated from Indian rupees. Here it costs, say, 150,000 pounds, or 300,000.
This of-course affects salaries, as a British worker MUST earn at least £10 an hour to pay the rent or a mortgage.
An Indian worker needs only a fraction of that income to pay their rent or mortgage.
The present system in the UK, which is not only EU defined, but caused by speculation of a capitalist type that also existed before the EU, is the cause of our economic ruin.
Once the housing market is sorted out, and the State imposes a proper house-price system, where speculation is BANNED, then the salary situation will be regulated accordingly.
Only then can we have the condition for fair trade between our Country and the rest of the world.
In Britain, the housing market - house prices and rent - has spun out of control, it has become absurd, and the biggest shock is, that the UK economists commit the tragic error of defining a decline in house prices as negative, and an increase in house prices as positive.
These people do not have a clue, they are the economists who have led us into total economic chaos, ruin, unemployment and sovereign and private debt amounting to trillions of pounds. They have led us into a massive trade deficit, and what they do is about the same as what western European economists have also done.
Now the hens are coming back to roost. The eurozone is absolutely bankrupt, debt-ridden, the EU as a whole is debt-ridden, and Britain's economy is floundering in debt.