Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Brian, GaryC - Do you actually want jobs?
I know of zero contract workers earning £40k a year.... I actually have written payroll evidence of that.
Left wing and Union self-interested silly season hysterics is what we really have here over this subject.
Reg - of course Keith is disappointed. He has been making regularly all kinds of wild claims about unemployment, all wrong totally wrong. He really does not like being wrong and would love it if it were true as he could gloat on here.
Having a job is actually in favour of the employee. there is also nothing wrong with something being in favour of the employer, in fact it has to be or why on earth should anyone employ someone....
This idea of them and us, you against those greedy employers is the ridiculous attitude that comes across here.
Glad you agree lefties are cretins, there is loads of evidence around for that.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I wonder how many such rabbits you keep in your hat Barry?
What actual point would there be in pointing-up the profitability of Bookmakers on the High Street, say, and extrapolating from that, that all is well on the High Street?
I'm sure too, that often there is one good apple in a barrel-full of bad.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the nasty party never went away.
"lefties are cretins", insults are hardly likely to win floating voters over to the blue cause.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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you've got a job, but you have no hours
Classic
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry,its nothing to do with being left wing or union histerics,its about having a proper contract say of 40 hours per week = a regular wage.
1,this will give government an income,tax & ni.
2 it gives the employee a regular income.
3,it also gives the employee security of a regular wage.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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BarryW.
I worked at George Hammonds for about 10 years all told, all of which was on a zero hours contract. I also worked at the Dover Cruise terminal for nearly 3 years on a zero hours contract.
That was necessary for these businesses to survive and I enjoyed every minute of working for both of those employers and if my circumstance was different, I dare say I could walk back into both of those jobs tomorrow even at my age and I would be delighted to do so.
But this thread is about shops and others businesses that have adopted the zero hour policy not because there business structure dictates it but their inclement to line their own pockets does.
How do you justify why more than 150 people are employed on zero hours contracts at the House of Commons?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That is a matter for the employer and the employees GaryC. What is vital is to ensure that businesses have the flexibility they need or it is a true lose lose situation. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater often arises from excessive restrictive rules.
Howard - I just was throwing Reg's sad little jibe back at him - they were entirely his words.
Brian - no, real life is not so clear cut.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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of course its clear cut barry.either you get a real contract or you don't.and in todays light its not.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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NO Barry, it is the business that the employer is in, that needs the flexibility.
Again I ask why does the house of commons need the flexibility of zero hour contracts?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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GaryC - if i knew of the specific roles, who the employer is, etc I might be able to suggest an answer, but i do now. What I do know is that flexibility is important for many employers and as a result there are more jobs because of it.
As for the first point - it is up to the employer to judge what is best for his business.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Labour councils using zero-hours workers
The FT reports that Labour-run councils across the UK are among the many local authorities using zero-hour contracts in an attempt to make savings. The paper claims that six Labour-controlled councils in London - Brent, Ealing, Merton, Newham, Hounslow and Tower Hamlets - use workers on contracts with no guaranteed hours, while Labour-run Doncaster employs some 300 people on similar contracts. Anne Mitchell, spokesperson for Unison, the public sector union, said the use of the contracts was "spreading exponentially" through the public sector. "The reason why councils are doing this is because they are being screwed into the ground financially by government cuts." Labour has argued the contracts, which have been scrutinised in the private sector, are fuelling an underemployment crisis.
Financial Times, Page: 2 The Times, Page: 5
Hmm.... Interesting.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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LOL Roger - thanks for that. They most certainly do have a place.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Apparently small children fit up chimneys!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Even if they did not Mark Barry would send them up.............
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You can tell when you have won an argument - the inane and absurd comments start.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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pure geneus this zero hours jobbie,one way of getting unemployment down.and talking of the unemployed,they are on zero hours and getting a wage.make them all sign these contracts with a employer so they don't get any mony money from government or employer.so this means goverment hus cut unemployment firms have ghost workerd,a win win situation.pure geneus.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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BarryW wrote:You can tell when you have won an argument - the inane and absurd comments start.
Not a case of you winning the argument more a case of no point in wasting any more energy trying to educate the blinkered.
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Barry, I am glad that we have clarified your stance. An argument is when you demand that your opponent changes his/her ideas while a debate is a reasonable exchange of views.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 57.Spot on....full marks to the posters that try to make Barry see reason but it really is a waste of time and patience.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I see no reason from you 'lefties' Reg - just the usual blindness to the needs of businesses and a willingness to throw people out of work to force business into your straightjacket.