Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#21
Alexander D wrote:This is not rubbish!
It's an intelligent presentation of history from a revisionist view, also taking into account recent research carried out with renewed criteria, ie less dependent on the Stalin version and on Churchill's warped accounts.
For example, secret documents released by the British Secret Services not many years ago reveal years of eaves dropping on German generals prisoner of war in Britain, and the information released does in fact warrant innovative research.
As for the total destruction of German cities and how it has been rubbished off, shame on you Barry and Vic!
Revisionist - Yes
Intelligent - No, far from it.
Factually inaccurate - Yes definately
The Germans in WW2 reaped what they sowed not only in the Blitz but remember Guernica in the Spanish Civil war as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Guernica
Your perverted and warped sense of history does you no credit Alexander even if you are simply trying, as someone else suggested, to be provocative.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#22
please calm down alex - you have not been censored.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#23
British use of non-lethal gas in Mesopotamia was merely for crowd control, there is no evidence that people were wiped out en masse, unlike in southern Iraq under Saddam Hussein, where hundreds of thousands of Marsh Arabs found their centuries-old hunting/fishing subsistence lifestyle destroyed by saddam's draining of the marshes. Those who failed to relocate to the cities were then systematically exterminated with sarin and mustard gas in the late 1980's. Why? because Saddam blamed them for his failure to overcome the Iranians in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war. Additionally the now-drained terrain was more suitable to take heavy armour in his Kuwait occupation project.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#24
sums things up nicely, all ok to slaughter some poor people but if oil supplies come under threat then armies are mobilised.
Guest 1172- Registered: 28 Jan 2014
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#25
I rather like Jan's posts. As an outsider looking in she sums up the situation in a few words.
Bob Whysman
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#26
Alexander D wrote:Bob Whysman, I believe in the Fair Lady, and have the right to practice and express my Christian Faith.
This thread puts in appropriate light the horrors of Society forgetting Christ and going after madmen!
I will not be shut up. OK!
No Alexander I am not trying to shut you up, especially after you have only just come back from?....... Your recent posts may have provided a useful means to partially evaluate a scheme which has thrown up many abnormalities since it's inception.
Care in the Community is not a short term experiment, it is here to stay, but there is still an element of fine tuning needed before it can be deemed a success .
Some experts say that it can be beneficial to gently steer those who need it in the direction of events that would improve their self worth perception. To this end the 'demons' need to be extricated from the sufferer before any positive progress can be made, which many have tried different ways of achieving, but not always very successfully.
Letting go of some of this negative energy can be achieved on a one to one basis in a limited form, but participation in groups has found to be more stimulating. Participation on this forum seems, for some, to remove all inhibitions and maybe something along these lines could be integrated into a programme of self help to hasten the healing of the mind.
This thread is interesting, not for it's content I hasten to add, but for the information it is providing from a Psychoanalyst's point of view into the individuals idiosyncrasies.
Some of the content comes across as complete rubbish but the part that I find interesting is the way that it is presented....keep at it and who knows you may just help to shed light on a hitherto perplexing problem.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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#27
Besides all these comments.... only People who have been involved in all these aweful actions know the truth and its aftermath. Got nothing more to say to this. Couldnt find the right words for it...
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Jan Higgins
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#28
Chrissi Clifton wrote:I rather like Jan's posts. As an outsider looking in she sums up the situation in a few words.
Thank you Chrissi, I do my best.
I will now de-merge (if there is such a word) the Politics Forum and only read it again if completely bored.
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#29
Thank you Bob, I thought I was in the twighlight zone, now I know I am!!!!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#30
Quite interesting responses.
Now one reason I post a topic like this is to encourage meditation: learning from the past may prevent future errors, such as repetitions of wars. Already mentioned is the reference to publish Winston Churchill on a fiver.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#31
Still, may I point out once more that several years back, the British Secret Service released information they had garnered from German generals during WW II who were prisoners of war in Britain and whose every word with each other had been registered secretly through microphones placed in their rooms.
Until then this information had been kept secret and so did not enter mainstream history books.
But it should be general knowledge that originally, the German high command, including Hitler, had planned a war against the Soviet Union, to be proceeded by a territorial dispute with Poland. but that there was no plan to go to war against the West.
It is also general knowledge that the wholesale destruction of cities was a Churchill policy that Hitler had tried to avoid.
Call it rubbish if you wish, but by saying "rubbish" three times, doesn't mean that a statement actually becomes rubbish.
I'm also surprised that the Dunkirk evacuation part I presented fared the same way, as Dover Museum's official version is that the British High Command had estimated that only around 50,000 soldiers could be evacuated. whereas, due to a change in circumstances, not one British soldier was left stranded, and many French soldiers were also evacuated. Which would at least give support to my statements in the previous posts, and which, incidentally, do not come from me, but from information released by the British Secret Service.
And the official Dover Castle version in the wartime tunnels is that the Germans purposefully avoided bombing the Castle!
So some information I get is of local origin (Dover Museum, Dover Castle). Again, call it rubbish if you wish, but at least the sources being rubbished off are quite local and trustworthy, and not "out of my fantasy".
Ultimately, possibly with reference to Bob's last post (I think), that is if I understood it in any outright way, there is an intention in my efforts on this thread, which is to promote a sense of higher value in dialogue and meditation, for example to prevent wars breaking out, or to prevent wars degenerating into outright bestial total destruction and humiliation on the part of one or indeed both contending sides.
And that such dialogue and thought process, if well trained, could prevent peoples going to war at the command of leaders who can be considered none other than totally destitute from a moral point of view.
The Fair Lady teaches spiritual love, and yes, I will now and then express my views on wars, especially considering that our own Parliament has been prone to unleashing quite a few in the past few decades, even very recently.
My standard motto is: speak up and make known your view, or be silent, and let it all come over you.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#32
Lesley Ives wrote:Thank you Bob, I thought I was in the twighlight zone, now I know I am!!!!!
You don't have to be a couch potato Lesley!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#33
Very quiet on this thread......Q.E.D.?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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#34
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#35
the room has been cleared with riot gas,and its all churchills fault.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#36
OH YES!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#37
i did consider insuring with them, premium and all the rest were great until i spotted the smallprint.
i draw the line at taking my insurance company for a walk twice a day.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#38
quite agree howard,much easier to chuck the cat out the back door,as long as you remember to lock the cat flap first.
