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    Tom, by your posts on this thread you have convinced me finally that you are a believer in the big-government-top-down-heavy-hand model of government as is traditional in continental Europe.

    I happen to believe in the opposite; your position is obviously consistent with full political and economic union involving the ultimate total abdication of national identity and competencies, while my instinct is to fight for the retention of the latter within a non-exclusive customs union and an association of fully independent nation-states.

    The europarl to which we return our MEPs is not a law-making institution but a house of rubber stamps. European laws are initiated by the European Commission, an unelected body of civil servants and national placemen, for 'approval' by the parliament and council of ministers. It can reject proposed legislation but it routinely rejects the annual budget because of audit and fraud issues, changing nothing.

    George Orwell and Lewis Carroll between them could not have made it up.

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