Keith Sansum1
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Although two years away am I alone in being concerned who may be running our Govt then?
With the rich getting richer and more of them under this present Govt,and the major opposition looking very weak and not much better than this lot.
(Expelling members everyday, including yesterday the president of Unison)
Starmer deciding he's not on the side of the workers
Other parties not big enough to make a difference, unless you want to protest vote, but that could keep this govt in place!
Country in a crisis
Although non voters likely to win the day,
For those that use there hard fought for vote,
Isn't the lack of choice frustrating ?
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Brian Dixon
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with 3 or 4 pm's in the last couple of years i would be worried.
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Although non voters likely to win the day
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Ross Miller
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Sadly the Labour Party's drift to the right is due to a number of factors including a phenomenon known as the Overton Window & the fact that their leader is a centrist establishment figure. Unfortunately this leaves us with the choice of 2 right of centre parties who are potentially electable in England, alongside the Greens & Lib Dems to make the numbers up.
I currently have little faith that Starmer, or his successor, will steer the Labour back to the centre left if they are successful at the next election & we will just have some form of Tory Party/Austerity Lite, which is most assuredly not in the interests of the majority.
For those who are on the left & find themselves homeless because of the above, perhaps it is time to forma new party of the left or perhaps the left can do what it always seems to do and bicker & argue about the finer parts of ideology & be left to rue missed opportunities.
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I agree, Ross, but I would rather have any government than one which emanates from the current ranks of the so-called Tory party.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think you are aware Ross , a party is standing against lab now
And the enough is enough has 700,000 members
Far more than the labour party
(But lab keeps expelling members it's no surprise)
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Ross Miller wrote:Sadly the Labour Party's drift to the right... this leaves us with the choice of 2 right of centre parties who are potentially electable in England, alongside the Greens & Lib Dems to make the numbers up
Poor analysis, I'm afraid; but a common mistake.
Labour and Conservative are both Blairite parties of the Left. (And Greens, and LibDems.)
Most Tories, being rather dim, still don't know this, although Cameron proclaimed it from the rooftops.
Most Labourites, being dimmer, don't know it either. Good grief, they're still fooled by the Blair/Starmer propaganda machine into thinking the Labour 'Right' did for the Labour 'hard Left', when in fact one wing of the Labour Left did for the other.
So, if you're Left, don't worry, you'll get a Left government whichever party you vote for, and you can carry on enjoying the social and economic decline, the increasing state 'protection', and the foreign wars.
The only non-Left option is electoral delegitimisation.
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It's not just me...
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What exactly is the point of the Conservative Party? Its current policies are interchangeable with the left.'
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/820e642c-69d6-11ed-85fc-6c020d5ba0b7?shareToken=5b7e2840d469f2bec82bfebdcd002a56
P.S. I would change 'left' to 'Left' here. After all, it's the official, establishment, Blairite progressive leftists the Conservatives have morphed into, so it deserves a capital.
P.P.S. Couldn't decide between the 'Labour in turmoil' or 'Conservatives in turmoil' threads, so stuck it here.
P.P.P.S. Not a Melanie Phillips fan, btw. But she agrees with me, so that's ok.
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Button
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P.P.P.P.S. To be picky, does it not lack a genitive, or 'those of the Left'?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I can't see how looking after billionaires is a left issue .
I think the conservative party looks after its own , which is something labour always fails to do .
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Jan Higgins
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Conservative and Labour both look after their own ......But only when they feel like it or it suits them politically.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan
I don't find that to be the case .
The cons do just that
But look after there own
Starmer has shown he wishes to distance himself from what is supposed to be his own
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Button wrote:P.P.P.P.S. To be picky, does it not lack a genitive, or 'those of the Left'?
Perhaps a sub-editor snipped it, or Ms Phillips lost her style guide.
Sadly, though I've often suggested to the editor that the Times would be immeasurably improved by my input, I have no authority there.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Non voters. 1
Everyone else. 0
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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use it or lose it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Like everything Brian it's how you use it lol
People could vote, but not for the two main parties resulting in the Tories getting back in!
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Button- Location: Dover
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So voting Enough Is Enough could get you More Of The Same?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The left of politics such as enough is enough will take votes off Labour this with non voters we end up with the same
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Therefore according to Keith the left will vote against the Labour candidate simply on principal rather than see Labour gain power.
There are times when I simply do not understand Keith's comments or logic, if he is so unhappy with Labour why not support or follow a different left of centre party like Green or Libdem.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan
I'm happy to debate this .
The two major parties hold a traditional vote, that over the years is reducing but enough to win.
I have not said I'm not supporting an alternative.
But usually these left parties or individuals don't have the man power of resources to produce three leaflets , and usually pick up maybe two thousand odd votes .
So the blue rinse Tories will turn out no matter what, proving this I asked a conservative lady at the polling station who her candidate was , she had no idea,, was just a life long conservative voter.
Labour on the other hand, the activists turn out but many stay away.
With these other small left parties standing they will take votes off Labour reducing there chances of winning seats .
It's about do people go with a weak Labour alternative which they don't support
Or Tory party they dislike
Or protest vote with a smaller party ?
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