Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#81
Bring back the workhouse at least then they had to do something to earn their keep, unlike half of my street who live off the benefits system and are proud of it!
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#82
hey reggie baby, the work house in town is now a pile of rubble.
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#83
Reginald Barrington Yes that's bring back slavery while we are at it
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#84
Well, there's no need to bring back wage slavery at least, as it never went away. But other forms of slavery are available, not least the mental slavery that the good Blake wrote so eloquently about. As for the workhouse, I believe RB favours the reintroduction of those beneficent institutions supported by the undeserving rich, run by the empathetically-challenged and designed to alleviate the condition of the desperate poor by having them engage in such career-enhancing labour as oakum picking and stone crushing, the experience of which would likely leave them consumptive skeletons or, if they were lucky, corpses. Such an attitude to the disadvantaged is near universal but does credit to nobody.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#85
run by snowflakes with no body bags then.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#86
Unfortunately Brian it is the snowflake generation that thinks it is only right to give the lazy over £300 a month to sit on their sofas all day watching Netflix and smoking fags, without having to lift a finger to help the society that is keeping them in that lifstyle, has to do with some human rights bollocks.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#87
Reginald Barrington wrote:Unfortunately Brian it is the snowflake generation that thinks it is only right to give the lazy over £300 a month to sit on their sofas all day watching Netflix and smoking fags, without having to lift a finger to help the society that is keeping them in that lifstyle, has to do with some human rights bollocks.
It's true that £300 a month would equate to a packet of 20 cigarettes a day but leave nothing left for luxuries like food, drink, electricity, gas, landline, mobile phone, water and Netflix.
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#88
Please use the correct terminology, Howard. The word is "fags" not cigarettes. Think of your street cred.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#89
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:It's true that £300 a month would equate to a packet of 20 cigarettes a day but leave nothing left for luxuries like food, drink, electricity, gas, landline, mobile phone, water and Netflix.
You are right Howard, they come out of the child tax credits, and children's benefit and by not paying the water as they know they cannot be cut-off, also the fags and baccy are half price on the black market, incidentally does anyone want any golden Virginia £9.50 a pouch?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#90
cheaper in belguim only 9. 20 . just cheked
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#91
I dunno about not working, but someone with that degree of knowledge about his neighbours surely has too much time on his hands, or a village imagination.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#92
Weird Granny Slater wrote:I dunno about not working, but someone with that degree of knowledge about his neighbours surely has too much time on his hands, or a village imagination.
Not at all, I get on with most of them and they are upfront and open about how easy it is to play the system. You might find it hard to believe WGS but some neighbours do still talk to each other not just about each other.
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Guest 2982- Registered: 20 Nov 2018
- Posts: 36
#93
Captain Haddock wrote:Rubbish. The problem is that we have in the UK 2/3 of the population (if we include pensions) beholden to the state for some part of their 'income'.
The plan with Universal Credit is to combine payments for
Child Tax Credit
Housing Benefit
Income Support
income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA)
income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
Working Tax Credit
to one payment rather than the present farce of people finding that their Housing Benefit has been stopped because their Income Support went up while their eligibility for Working Tax Credit changed and non of the issuing offices knew what the other was doing in real time.
The present system was ridiculously stupid with the system giving with one hand and taking away with the other except there were SIX hands involved!
Rolling out the system will inevitably throw up problems. Any change does because with the best will in the world one can't design a system to cover ALL eventualities from day one. This is why Windows 10, which is a lot less clunky than the system most of us started with, still needs updates.
An example of this would be women fleeing an abusive partner who wish to claim benefits might find that all the necessary paperwork is at the home they have fled. Previously their 'local office' would have their records and it could be easily sorted. Under UC they would have to start again with the application.
Having found out about this from the CAB (of which I'm a trustee) I've got 'our' Charlie getting it sorted. It wasn't some sort of wicked anti-wimmin design feature as one person claimed to me. It just needed tweaking.
Guest 2982- Registered: 20 Nov 2018
- Posts: 36
#94
While the ‘problems’ are being ‘tweaked’, people are starving. I don’t have any faith that Charlie will make any difference.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#95
Those in charge of things always set working people against other working people which means the real spongers who pay little or no tax can get away scot free. I live in the "deprived" Priory area and know of only one Herbert that is playing the system. The amount of company vehicles parked up here and the sight of so many people with Hi-Viz jackets with a name on the back going out and coming home later tells me that they are gainfully employed.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#96
Part of the problem is there are two versions of deprived, the genuine who do their very best to improve their lot and those who abuse the system and get away with it, I am willing to bet we all know or have known those who fall into both categories.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#97
Reginald Barrington wrote:You might find it hard to believe WGS but some neighbours do still talk to each other not just about each other.
No, happy to say we're all very chatty where I live, RB. I'd love to talk about them, but I promised not to let on that they're mostly too busy quietly drawing their pensions to do much of any interest to anyone else.
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