howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1172- Registered: 28 Jan 2014
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Is it legal to single out any group based on race?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it refers to a religion not race chrissi, either way the idea is unworkable.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Islam is a political system posing as a religion.
A big amount of British people would agree with Mr. Batten over this issue .
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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4, an even more big amount of British people would consider Mr Batten a bigot of the first water. So would 100% of British Muslims.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I do not agree peter over your first statement. Why do you say he's a bigot ?
And why would you assume the public would think this to
The financing and building of mosques across Europe is mostly Saudi financed
So this probably is the form of Islam being sponsored.
It would be interesting to see the original speech
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John Buckley
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You`re probably correct Howard in that what he suggests would actually be unworkable, but nevertheless I agree 100% with the sentiments expressed. I also consider that a great number of other people would agree with him too.
The building of mosques is just part of the muslim long term strategy to demanding at some time in the future an area of England as an Islamic State. It won`t happen in my lifetime or perhaps even my childrens, but it will occur at some stage, that`s for sure. This is happening in other parts of the world, so why not here?
If on the other hand people don`t see anything particularly wrong in this then fine, they`ll eventually get what they wished for!
I expect that many British muslims would perceive Mr Batten to be a bigot, that`s unfortunate.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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indeed it will strike a chord with the majority and he makes a fair point about muslim countries not allowing other places of worship to be built, i even remember the taleban blowing up ancient statues in afghanistan that were important to buddhists.
where his argument falls down is asking for parts of the koran to be rewritten.
looking through the old testament and the torah there are many similar exhortations to give non-believers "a bit of a slap" just like the koran but all were written in different times and adherents nowadays pay little heed to such utterances preferring to take the "love thy neighbour" approach.
Nowadays the religion most feared around the world is undoubtedly islam but it is only a tiny minority that are full of hate or indoctrinated by a hate preacher at a madrassah.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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I`m not so sure Howard, certainly the majority do probably just want to get on with there lives, but I`m not totally convinced that it`s only a "tiny minority" that are indoctrinated etc. Even if we accept that you are correct ( and I hope that you are of course! ) there is no guarantee that this will always be the case.
Perhaps I`ve missed it, but I`ve never noticed a great outpouring of grief and condemnation by the "majority" regarding the atrocities committed on a daily basis throughout the world in the name of Islam. Isn`t it about time the "majority" came down hard on their fellow bretheren who are supposedly not representative of their "religion"?
Try telling the Buddhists in Southern Thailand for example who have been butchered and slaughtered in their thousands that it is only a minority that are full of hate. It is not only soldiers and police that they target there but also children in schools, nice people eh?
Whilst I appreciate that, at the moment, it is a completely different scenario here in the UK, can anyone guarantee that in the future there will not be an attempt to subject us to Islamic law and change forever what was once a Christian country? Is it right to continue to bend over backwards just to appease a "minority" and risk in the long term losing our own values that we hold dear and have done for hundreds of years?
As Keith has correctly pointed out, Islam is a political system ( and a dangerous one at that ) operating under the guise of religion. I`m all for live and let live, but I`m not too sure that particular concept actually features anywhere in the Islamists mandate for the future.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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6, re-read my post, I did not say he is a bigot, merely that most people would consider him one. I wonder if he has ever actually had a sensible conversation with a Muslim.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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john makes a good point in his second paragraph on the silence of many muslims on extremism, i lived in a mainly muslim area in 9/11 and the noise of celebratory car horns that evening was reminiscent of a west ham cup win .
all young british asians that saw it a great victory, i have no idea why - i spoke to some of my neighbours about the behaviour of their offspring and i was met with embarrassed shrugs, comments about the youth of today etc .
on many occasions the metropolitan guardian reading elite have made things worse by banning christmas from red cross charity shops and other daft ideas. i can remember a prominent member of the muslim parliament stating that he had never been offended by the sight of a hot cross bun!!
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I have to say most religions have been pretty bad at some time .
The Catholic's and Christians have all had there days of blood,
religions was government before we had governments ,its all been about controlling the people .
most western people have out grown religions, and wouldn't be controlled by the extremes of what's in the books to day .
some religions have become more of a club ,membership is compulsory in order to be part of the mafia or in the click , Jews in banking and diamonds being one of them.
In Thailand you wouldn't get very far in government if you're not a Buddhists .
We would all be better of without it ,its just all very divisive
Brian Dixon
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dosent the church and the mosques serve the same purpose.you know the ones,preying,christnings,marriges and funerals.along with sprituel guidance.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The biggest problem is that "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing". This applies to extremists/fundamentalists in Islam, or child-abusers in catholocism etc. Good people know this has gone on/goes on, but do/have done, nothing.
Roger
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I still find it galling that it only since the events of September 11th has Islam and its followers been considered to be our enemies.
The general public are being conned by the governments of the west in supporting the USA. The very same city that was targeted by extremists, New York if you weren't aware, was the very same city that gave financial and political support to the IRA, terrorists who were killing our soldiers and civilians, including children.
Are your memories that short that you have forgotten these events ?
America wasn't concerned in the slightest until they were targeted on their home soil, and so we get dragged into wars and conflicts in support of the very same political system that gave assistance to the IRA.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if my memory is correct the american's first instance of being victims of terrorism was the oklahoma atrocity.
the country couldn't understand how it could happen but many of them were putting money into collection plates for "school books, medicines and food supplies"!!
did they seriously think that children in northern ireland lived in refugee camps?
did they ever wonder about the effect the "freedom fighters" were having on the people who lived there?
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Certain members of the kennedy clan cuddled up with gerry adams of sinn fein, as it was at the time. I think the kennedy shower are still hero worshipped over there, strange choices really, but now its Islam being demonised.
Whatever victim or minority these politicians trot out as the latest 'villain', there will be a few thousand gullible members of the public ready to suck it all up.
What have we had recently, the unemployed, the long term sick, the disabled, the illegal iommigrants, the legal immigrants, the legal immigrants who aren't even here yet and who may not even turn up, now the Muslims.
Who shall we pick on next ? People with long and complicated names, because of the cost of the ink when their names are printed. Some idiot would fall for it...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, in reference to post 13, what some people have done while professing to be Christians, did not come from the New Testament, from the Christian Faith.
Let's say I was a UKIP member and then started preaching mass immigration of, say, 5 million people a year to Britain.
People would say: look what UKIP preach!
What would you say?
Probably that such preaching does not come from UKIP and that I cannot represent that party's views.
Some people in history have proclaimed to be Christian, but done things that expressly are NOT of Christian origin.
It is a shame that others then come out and put the blame on the One Faith.
Bob Whysman
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Do you not think, Alexander and all, that those who use a faith as an excuse for their actions should be honest and state what their real agenda is?
I ask this because too often the real reasons for conflicts and terrorism is so well hidden that even those involved lose sight of their aims and nothing gets resolved.
Do nothing and nothing happens.