Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#60 ...and pillars of salt.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Barrie Nicoll wrote:Did our Mr. Robinson forget to mention the part of the christian bible where unbelievers should be stoned to death ?
That was a bit remiss of him, not taking a balanced viewpoint and only mentioning the Qu'ran.
(other religious texts are available for cherry picking information)
Take your point Barrie, but in fairness he probably didn’t need to mention it, I may be wrong, but I don’t recall anyone being stoned to death recently because of the bible’s teaching?
Whereas..................!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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a stoning happened last week in rihad.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I feel I did have to mention it. There are those in this country who will fall for propaganda aimed at the hard of thinking, and these skewed views should be challenged.
I am no fan of Islam, but I don't know how to quantify it being any worse than any other religion, they all have serious flaws, some of them apocalyptic.
Our association with america does us no favours in the eyes of the rest of the world, and despite our supposed special relationship, they were funding terrorist attacks against us well within living memory.
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Brian Dixon wrote:a stoning happened last week in rihad.
You may well be right Brian, but not because of the bible I would guess!
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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it's silly and dangerous to say we have a similar comparison between the old Christian bible and the book of Islam. followers of Islam believe the book is the direct word of god, and the latest words superseded the earlier wording and directives, and the Islamic law it promotes.
Robson's book,, Mohammed's Koran has never been challenged in the courts? despite him calling it Fact. there can only be one reason for that? the translation is true and factual, and it indeed calls for the M........... of none believers.
no other book could be published in the UK inciting .M............., and a lot more.
it baffles me that good people in the labour party and conservative party can sit silently as this cult grows all over the UK and Europe.
edited because of the conservatives party blasphemy laws and suppression of free speech in the UK.
PS. and it's interesting that reporting restrictions were never placed on all the celebrity's prosecuted for kiddy fiddling ?? but the ones Robinson was reporting on needed a total media shutdown?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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"PS and it's interesting that reporting restrictions were never placed on all the celebrity's prosecuted for kiddy fiddling ?? but the ones Robinson was reporting on needed a total media shutdown?"
The Jonathan King trial we knew nothing about until he was convicted. The reason being so that complainants did not hear what each had said. I would imagine it might be the same case on the trial that Tommy tried to close down.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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in my mind plus loads of others believe that there is no god, and bibles are books of fiction for the guilible.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I don't see why its silly to compare one fictitious religious text with another. Just as in Islam, there are christians who believe that the bible is the direct word of god, and I think you will find that its published in the UK, and promotes murder and rape very clearly, among many other horrific things. There have been innumerable books written about the christian bible, all also purporting to be the truth, all equally un-provable.
Just as in Islam, there are different versions of christianity, some of which forbid the use of condoms, with the obvious consequences, others which have the opposite view on contraception.
We live in an allegedly christian country, where the nominal head of the church is one of the wealthiest women in the world, and her bible tells people not to accumulate wealth, because 'it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven' (probably not a correct quote, but close enough)
So why is it silly and dangerous to compare two books of nonsense both printed in the UK and both saying similar things. Perfect comparison I would think.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#71 Satanic verses removed from the Q'ran. Many books of the apocrypha removed from the Holy Bible. Plenty of comparisons to make.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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so do we have different books of Islam or just the one ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The bible is a collection of books and the Koran/Quran is made up of Suras/chapters as far as I am aware.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Numerous versions Keith, well into double figures.
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There have been around 20 English translations of the Koran. Many more into other languages. 'Rob[in]son's book', actually written and self-published by one Peter McLoughlin (presumably an unrecognised Arabic scholar) uses the Pickthall translation from 1930. But, as with all translations, there's nothing 'true and factual' about it; interpretation goes hand in hand with translation. But you'd need to know 7th century Arabic to judge for sure. McLoughlin's 'interpretation' is really an interpretation of an interpretation, much the same as reading, say, the King James bible today.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
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so why hasn't Robinson's book been challenged by more experts, and why hasn't he been challenged by the different Islamic UK scholars?
why do most Islamic countries carry out Islamic law, in the version that Robinson is describing in his book ?
they are treating females like second class citizens, they are mistreating homosexuals, some are practising sex with a lower age limit
is this so-called religion compactable with the west?
and remember it's not only Robinson claiming this stuff?
Even Winston churchel was warning us about Islam, and now ironically we can now be prosecuted by a Tory government for repeating churchels words on Islam??
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'why hasn't Robinson's book been challenged by more experts, and why hasn't he been challenged by the different Islamic UK scholars?'
Probably because Robinson and his co-author aren't Islamic scholars and their book, rather than being an attempt at exegesis, is a (poorly written) political tract. If you wanted to know how to build a garden shed you wouldn't ask Delia Smith, would you?
'why do most Islamic countries carry out Islamic law, in the version that Robinson is describing in his book ?'
Surely it's not a revelation that Islamic countries exercise Islamic law.
'they are treating females like second class citizens, they are mistreating homosexuals, some are practising sex with a lower age limit'
None of the above are exclusive to Islamic countries.
'is this so-called religion compactable with the west?'
It is a religion, sure enough, an Abrahamic one, just like Christianity and Judaism. I'm sure that its more extreme forms are incompatible with many western laws and practices, just like extreme forms of other religions.
'and remember it's not only Robinson claiming this stuff?'
Anyone with a curious intelligence doesn't need to be led by the nose by Robinson or anyone else.
'Even Winston churchel was warning us about Islam, and now ironically we can now be prosecuted by a Tory government for repeating churchels words on Islam??'
Churchill's views on Islam are not easily captured in a soundbite; besides, they changed over time (e.g. he approved and backed the building of the Regent's Park mosque). If it's Paul Weston you're referring to, he was arrested but not prosecuted.
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Guest 1713- Registered: 14 Mar 2016
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utter bollocks once again
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Thank you for your in depth contribution to the debate Al, forgive me for not responding immediately but I need time to take it all in before replying.