Guest 2824- Registered: 1 Sep 2018
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Hi,
I am currently doing a research project about if multiculturalism is the main reason/explanation for the increase in Right Wing support that we have seen recently.
Grateful for any responses/thoughts on this from Right/Left wing perspectives.
Cheers.
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Captain Haddock
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'right wing' but if you mean 'are people who worry about large scale immigration more likely to support groups which oppose large scale immigration' the obvious answer is yes. It would be strange if it were otherwise. The total failure of multi-culturalism - a lefty version of apartheid - has certainly not helped!
See Douglas Murray - The Strange Death of Europe or Jonah Goldberg - Suicide of the West for analysis or Ed West - The Diversity Illusion.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think the battle now is between populism and the establishment rather than left against right, the latest new Labour and the five star movement in Italy propose similar "leftish" policies that are basically uncosted in the same way that the right come out with their stuff that has knee jerk appeal.
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spaceyat wrote:Hi,
I am currently doing a research project about if multiculturalism is the main reason/explanation for the increase in Right Wing support that we have seen recently.
Grateful for any responses/thoughts on this from Right/Left wing perspectives.
Cheers.
spaceyat, it would be useful to hear a bit more about your project, i.e. institution, level, definitions, methodology. Or are you simply collecting opinions?
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My opinion......Going by the original post it reads as if spaceyat has already formed an opinion that the world is already being taken over by the Right Wing.
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Guest 2824- Registered: 1 Sep 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:My opinion......Going by the original post it reads as if spaceyat has already formed an opinion that the world is already being taken over by the Right Wing.
Hahaha, the question/research topic was given to me by my college - 'Is multiculturalism to blame for the increase in fascist and right wing ideologies in the UK?' - who seem to think it has been.
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:spaceyat, it would be useful to hear a bit more about your project, i.e. institution, level, definitions, methodology. Or are you simply collecting opinions?
It's a college project/coursework for sociology, I got tasked with the finding out if 'multiculturalism is to blame for the increase in fascist and right wing ideologies in the UK?'
You have to use both a quantitative and qualitative method, although seeing as it is a little controversial, it is hard to find people to interview. I conducted a survey in my local area, but it is rare to find someone who isn't heavily left wing and it is quite culturally diverse here, so I came on forums to find some people who weren't of as much of a left bias.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Blimey, this Forum's right-wing? Who said that!
As for the question you've been given, spaceyat, it's begging to be taken apart. E.g., the notion of 'blame' carries a note of political judgment you wouldn't expect to see: perhaps 'a cause of' or 'a contributary factor in' might have been more, er, neutral. Has there really been 'an increase in fascist and right wing ideologies in the UK'? Over what time-period? What's 'right wing' exactly? How's 'ideology' being used here: a political grouping or party, a set of ideas?
Anyway, taking the question for what it is, I'd answer 'no'. Why? First, there were more 'fascists and right-wingers' about in the 70s, so there hasn't been an increase in their numbers; there may have been an increase in the number of right-wing political parties, groupings and factions, though, and in their visibility because of social media and sympathetic mainstream media. (And if you include the Conservative Party, its membership is falling.) Second, post hoc, ergo propter hoc: i.e. even if it could be proven that there has been an 'increase in right wing ideologies', and that this phenomenon came about after the introduction of policies that might be described as 'multicultural', you'd still have work to do to establish a causal connection, or risk committing a logical fallacy (y succeeded x, therefore y was caused by x). Suffice to say, I don't believe causality is easily established.
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Guest 2824- Registered: 1 Sep 2018
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Blimey, this Forum's right-wing? Who said that!
As for the question you've been given, spaceyat, it's begging to be taken apart. E.g., the notion of 'blame' carries a note of political judgment you wouldn't expect to see: perhaps 'a cause of' or 'a contributary factor in' might have been more, er, neutral. Has there really been 'an increase in fascist and right wing ideologies in the UK'? Over what time-period? What's 'right wing' exactly? How's 'ideology' being used here: a political grouping or party, a set of ideas?
Anyway, taking the question for what it is, I'd answer 'no'. Why? First, there were more 'fascists and right-wingers' about in the 70s, so there hasn't been an increase in their numbers; there may have been an increase in the number of right-wing political parties, groupings and factions, though, and in their visibility because of social media and sympathetic mainstream media. (And if you include the Conservative Party, its membership is falling.) Second, post hoc, ergo propter hoc: i.e. even if it could be proven that there has been an 'increase in right wing ideologies', and that this phenomenon came about after the introduction of policies that might be described as 'multicultural', you'd still have work to do to establish a causal connection, or risk committing a logical fallacy (y succeeded x, therefore y was caused by x). Suffice to say, I don't believe causality is easily established.
This is great stuff, thanks!
Also, didn't come to this forum because I thought it was Right-wing was just searching around for political forums
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tell this to your teacher.
if you import the third world eventually you will become the third world.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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First you have to define multiculturalism and decide whether you are talking about a government policy, an aspiration, or the actual situation on the ground.
Guest 2824- Registered: 1 Sep 2018
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Pablo wrote:First you have to define multiculturalism and decide whether you are talking about a government policy, an aspiration, or the actual situation on the ground.
Considering how the word is kind of broad, it'd would've been nice the college operationalised the term for me, but I'm assuming it's the actual situation, considering we don't really look into government policies in class.