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  I don't know who the nasty labour people were? Strange term, there were some that had strong opinions, wonder iif barryw meant they disagreed with him, so him classes them as nasty
  
  on the question of the whip, we need to get real on this, a free vote is only free if allowed to vote without whips trying to sway things,
  looking locally a good example of the tory whip was when scrutiny was set up all the conservative cllrs agreed on an item to go to the cabinet, and full council
  when it got to full council the whip was in action and all the conservatives voted like lambs against there own scrutiny decision
  so as not to upset there own party.
  
  I believe in the scrutiny system but it has to be seen to be unbiased

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