Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#21
Sinn Fein "We need more £££ for hard pressed NI"
DUP "We just got £1.5bn"
Sinn Fein "This could derail the peace process"
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#22
Captain Haddock wrote:Sinn Fein "We need more £££ for hard pressed NI"
DUP "We just got £1.5bn"
Sinn Fein "This could derail the peace process"
Theresa May to nurse who says she hasn't had a pay rise in eight years: 'There's no magic money tree' See The Independent article and clip below.
DUP deal for NI:
Their negotiations have secured an extra £1bn for Northern Ireland over two years - roughly £800 for every voter in the province. They have forced the Tories to give up some of their more controversial manifesto commitments. Source BBC - see below.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-nhs-nurses-election-2017-bbc-question-time-leaders-special-a7770371.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40406142
Yet still the electorate vote for her and her party. It is an utter disgrace when the working poor are shafted by '[B]
Compassionate Conservatism[/B]' especially when they 'find' money to secure their position.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#23
Oh yes! Let's spend even more on the NHS.
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/showvac/1/2/914678692#.WVNkrNJbx0M.twitter
Do try sometime talking to health care professionals in the EU about our wonderful NHS.
If you turned up at A&E in Holland and it was neither they'd tell you to sod of and see your GP (who would not have a queue as your insurance, even for benefit claimants would not cover the first 300€).
Meanwhile in Dover there's a councillor who insists his wife gets aspirin on prescription at God knows what cost as 'she's paid her taxes'.
The NHS needs total reform.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#24
captain,you need a holiday,can I sugest a mental health ward 300 miles north,[that's the nearest].
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Captain Haddock wrote:Oh yes! Let's spend even more on the NHS.
https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/showvac/1/2/914678692#.WVNkrNJbx0M.twitter
Do try sometime talking to health care professionals in the EU about our wonderful NHS.
If you turned up at A&E in Holland and it was neither they'd tell you to sod of and see your GP (who would not have a queue as your insurance, even for benefit claimants would not cover the first 300€).
Meanwhile in Dover there's a councillor who insists his wife gets aspirin on prescription at God knows what cost as 'she's paid her taxes'.
The NHS needs total reform.
Perhaps you ought to read...
Though NHS funding is continuing to grow, the rate of growth is slowing considerably compared to historical trends. The Department of Health budget will grow by 1.1 per cent in real terms between 2009/10 and 2020/21. This is far below the long-term average increases in health spending of approximately 4 per cent a year (in real terms) since the NHS was established.
Looking ahead, between 2017/18 and 2019/20 the Department of Health budget will increase by just 0.6 per cent on average each year in real terms. This will place increasing pressure on the NHS, as demand for services is continuing to grow . Source:
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget
I'm all for efficiency. I am NOT for austerity disguised as bona-fide efficiency savings.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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#26
This has been, and will continue to be, an incremental exercise: the British population have an attachment to the NHS which will be difficult to break. But the objective is clear, despite any public pronouncements to the contrary: to have a largely private healthcare system, with a rump public sector (the ‘compassionate’ bit) left over for those of us who cannot afford to feed the profits of the health insurance companies. Underfunding is a gradualist tactic in what is a neoliberal social engineering project initiated by the lovely Margaret and continued by all her successors, Blair included.
Welcome to the world of ‘Victorian values’ folks! Still, I’ve always wanted to know more about how my ancestors lived. Now, where was that workhouse?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#27
coobe valley road,now closed and run down.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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#28
Brian Dixon wrote:coobe valley road,now closed and run down.
Indeed. It became Buckland Hospital in 1948.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#29
It also had a short intern as the county hospital for a few years before then.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#30
Courtesy of News Thump.
Promising billions of pounds of other people’s money to get to be Prime Minister is my job, Jeremy Corbyn has told Theresa May in an angry showdown today.
In a showdown at Prime Minister’s Questions, Corbyn said he spoke for the progressive forces of Britain when he criticised the Prime Minister for promising a whole shitload of taxpayers money just for the chance to form a government – and insisted that in future the Conservative party leave that to him and his supporters.
Corbyn added that his manifesto had promised huge amounts more, and surely the highest bidder should get first go in forming a government.
“Typical Tories!” he cried. “Going with the lowest bidder!
“The Prime Minister has promised a billion pounds of taxpayers money in order to slide into Number Ten without a majority!
“How dare she? We offered far more than that.”
Diane Abbott joined in the criticism, saying she thought the eight hundred trillion pounds being paid to the DUP was ‘utterly outrageous’.
When asked, the general public said they were happy to pay it so long as that meant there’s be no more f*****g elections for five whole years.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#31
come on lets have another one by December.
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#32
Weird Granny Slater wrote:This has been, and will continue to be, an incremental exercise: the British population have an attachment to the NHS which will be difficult to break. But the objective is clear, despite any public pronouncements to the contrary: to have a largely private healthcare system, with a rump public sector (the ‘compassionate’ bit) left over for those of us who cannot afford to feed the profits of the health insurance companies. Underfunding is a gradualist tactic in what is a neoliberal social engineering project initiated by the lovely Margaret and continued by all her successors, Blair included.
Welcome to the world of ‘Victorian values’ folks! Still, I’ve always wanted to know more about how my ancestors lived. Now, where was that workhouse?
Bang on point. Couldn't agree more, WGS.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#33
Could be interesting if NHS workers get a decent rise as other public sector workers will want the same. Not to worry as there plenty left in that money tree.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/michael-gove-suggests-government-could-support-lifting-public/Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#34
How will our T May balance this money tree with the DUP the rest of the parties in N Ireland,
Other public sector workers pay if they give it to one section,
The increasing debt under this Govt
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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#35
This deal is great in so far as it has opened the floodgates for everyone else - the Government cannot mount a solid defence of the DUP deal so will be forced into agreeing everything else. Put simply, it will end austerity, whether that was the intention or not. The pay cap will be the first thing to go.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#36
“I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”
End of austerity? What austerity! We are still spending more than we earn and expecting future generations to pay it off.
Totally immoral in my view.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#37
Bob,
not quite correct
many view maybe there should be a little more fairness
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Guest 2060- Registered: 19 Apr 2017
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#38
Keith S is correct about fairness. As long it is about fairness not envying people who work hard and get rewarded for working hard.
I am sure Comrades Bishop and Granny Slater will not agree because they are too wrapped up their neoliberalism crap and comparing 2017 Britain to the workhouse, kids up the chimneys victoriana. The fact is if you don't work, won't work because you are a drug user or an alcoholic you get paid by the state with housing benefit and other benefits in 2017.In Victorian times you starve and were homeless without a outreach officer from Porchlight helping to fill in the appropriate forms.
I will say that I have concerns about Our NHS ,lack of affordable housing and overcrowding in our schools but my concerns are real and not a political vehicle or bandwagon to jump on.I have been concerned since the 1960s about the NHS being used as political football by all the parties.The Tories under Major brought in Private Finance Initiatives and Labour under Blair/Brown from 1997 to 2010 installed 221 NHS PFIs.
Now I await for the resident Corbynistas to call me an apologist for Austerity or even worse a Tory Fascist.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#39
Fairness? Let's take people's hard earned money off them and give it to a load of others who are already living a life style which is already the envy of most people on this planet.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#40
Peter James wrote:Keith S is correct about fairness. As long it is about fairness not envying people who work hard and get rewarded for working hard.
I am sure Comrades Bishop and Granny Slater will not agree because they are too wrapped up their neoliberalism crap and comparing 2017 Britain to the workhouse, kids up the chimneys victoriana. The fact is if you don't work, won't work because you are a drug user or an alcoholic you get paid by the state with housing benefit and other benefits in 2017.In Victorian times you starve and were homeless without a outreach officer from Porchlight helping to fill in the appropriate forms.
I will say that I have concerns about Our NHS ,lack of affordable housing and overcrowding in our schools but my concerns are real and not a political vehicle or bandwagon to jump on.I have been concerned since the 1960s about the NHS being used as political football by all the parties.The Tories under Major brought in Private Finance Initiatives and Labour under Blair/Brown from 1997 to 2010 installed 221 NHS PFIs.
Now I await for the resident Corbynistas to call me an apologist for Austerity or even worse a Tory Fascist.
How times and people change Peter, I seem to remember that you were a fully fledged Socialist until Comrade Blair took us into war in Iraq in line with all our other Prime Ministers doing the same with other conflicts when the USA tells us to.
