Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The lords
http://www.columnist.org.uk/2013/12/15/ukip-the-byles-bill-and-lords-reform/
No individual who is not elected by the British public, should have office in the British parliament.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have never seen the point of the house of lords with all the appointees, just turning up when they feel like it and being well remunerated for it - a bit like that building in brussels.
Brian Dixon
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took the words out of my mouth howard.but never mind we need to keep up britishness for ukips sake.
Keith Sansum1
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Keith b
we are at one on the lords
but we do need to think on what you replace it with
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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a bunch of lazy people kieth.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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its what you replace it with
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Bob Whysman
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If we had no House of Lords charity shops would struggle to sell all those ermine coats that they wear except at Christmas.
Mind you the building would make quite a lot of social housing for the deprived, but hey where would all the Lords and Ladies go to sleep during the day as The Embankment is used by the Hoy Poloy!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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KeithS it should be a democratic elected Senate similar to the U.S.A . I agree with Keith B and Brian D .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Peter R
Here we are, knew you could do it.
I support the need for a democratic elected Lords
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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It must be that Christmas feeling .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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nope,
never agreed with the Lords as it is where political parties/church's just flood it with people they want in there
often to stop them opposing the govt. Both parties guilty.
Of course taking this route farrage would lose out
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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Personally, I much prefer an appointed House of Lords. As it stands, there is no question of which house is supreme, as only the Commons is democratically elected. That would change if both Houses were elected, and would lead to legislative gridlock. Secondly, the Lords contains a lot of good people, with plenty to offer, who are simply not interested in running for election. The loss of this expertise would be a great shame, especially if it replaced by more politicians playing the same games as they do in the commons. The make-up of the Lords is not perfect, and still needs reform, but it is better than many of the alternatives.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well interesting viewpoint, not one that i share,
the Lords has been used by both major parties to put in friends
as i say often to stifle debate, and to make sure the govt of the day has a majority to stop opposition
The Lords is looking old and in need of update
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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The problem is not the concept of appointing members. The problem is with those doing the appointing. Make the Lords politically neutral, a council of wise old heads from various backgrounds, with expertise in different fields, and they will do a better job of holding the Commons to account.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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sadly you have to trust those doing the appointing
and that they dont have a different agenda
you will find posters on here try to explain they are neutral yet aew active in parties, even if they do stand as indies in parish councils.
Needs to be a better method, and probably letting the people decide is the best way
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We don't need the lords.
We pay consultants millions to give advice to parliament.
75 % of legislation comes from the EU, the Uk parliament is a rubber-stamping shop
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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It must be the only organisation that pays £300 a day taxfree to convicted felons..They really are in it together,at the trough.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieths,#6,no that's not what I am saying.its now full of lazy people and egp's,.i would like to see more practical people in there and have to be street wise and savy with whats going on in the real world.