Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
#21
I'm with you on this one Peter , as are probably the majority of the British public.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#22
Same here, which is why so many of us feel misled and disillusioned with the EU.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#23
Keith Bibby wrote:If EU membership over the last 40 years ,has been so good ,then why is the
British working class so poor ?
Frankly because they don't have enough skills or work ethic for me and others to pay them the rip-off minimum wage when they can be bothered haul their tattooed lard arses to turn up to work. When working I much prefer to have potted plants around me. At least they do something useful by producing oxygen rather than wasting it.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#24
As Barry W. has said many times, the minimum wage has turned into the maximum wage - for most people.
Bob (sorry Captain H.) is also right that low skills and a lack/shortness of education also adds to that low pay scenario.
It is so important to everyone that they get as good an education as possible; it's no good bunking off school and then expect to get a well paid job - you have to EARN it. Learn a skill, take an apprenticeship, anything, just get a qualification.
Roger
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
- Posts: 1,052
#25
The EEC was transposed into the EU with the signing of the Maastricht Treaty. The signing was carried out by elected representatives (John Major in our case) and was not something imposed on us.
Peace cannot be won militarily; it is a political gain. Closer ties, co-operation and understanding bring lasting peace.
Paul, "the majority of the British public"? Really? Only 34% of the electorate turned out to vote in the EU elections and about 27% of them voted for UKIP. Assuming that UKIP voters represent those disgruntled enough with the EU to make a protest vote (though in the top 13 pet hates of UKIP voters the EU came only 6th!) that can hardly be called a majority.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#26
Correctamundo Roger. ('Bob' who he?)
Having been placed by chance for a very finite time in a place where as I used to tell my pupils, who were whining about their lack of connectivity on their mobile phones etc, the greater proportion have a full meal in our bellies, accommodation and no bastard would like to kill us (unlike half the planet) stop moaning and get on with it!
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#27
well frankly I am disillisoned with this country,with the way its going.whinging about this,that and the other.i would like the government man up [or woman up,] and get on with getting in rather than trying to wriggle out under the tory terms,who are a laughing stock both here and in Europe.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#28
some food for thought.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#29
Sometimes Brian, I wonder if you get confused or mixed up with Europe and the EU. We all love Europe and the countries within it, it's the political body - the EU, that we're not happy with.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#30
well I am not happy with the uk plc.roger.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
#31
Then flog your place in Aycliffe and buy something just across the channel for half the price, Brian. On a clear day you can even stick 2 fingers up at us.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#32
I was going to suggest something similar Peter.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#33
that's fine peter,but it wouldn't be just across the channel,to close to the stench of fear.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#34
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#35
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#36
all sour grapes howard with a bit of scaremongering thrown in.still it was on the cards that he wouldn't win this one.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
#37
I don't think sour grapes come into it Brian.
If one agrees (and I know you think the EU is perfect and doesn't need any kind of reform) that real reform is essential for the survival of the EU and the individual counties, then you cannot get that reform with a leader who is wanting closer ties with all the countries - greater federalism and less control by the governments of those countries.
We want Britain to be governed by Britain and not Brussels: we want to set our own laws, taxes and immigration levels - on quality not quantity etc.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
#38
Amen, Roger.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#39
Well put Roger.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#40
there you go again roger,scaremongering again.for gods sake he hasent started the job yet,and futher more 26 other countrys like him.its about time everyone here woke up and smellt the coffee.