Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#1
Many requests have reached me from UKIP to become a member, both phone calls and letters. One came today directly from the desk of Nigel Farage, with an official invitation to join UKIP together with a free post return envelope.
However I was also contacted by BNP to write articles for the party's website, and a number of those on my own website have been chosen by BNP for publishing.
As a nationalist loyal to the British Flag, I believe that Dover and Deal Constituency's best interests are in common ground between local UKIP and BNP supporters. Unless we unite our efforts, people will see the national cause as being divided.
The best solution would be for the UKIP central committee in the UK to end the declaration of hostilities against the British National Party, which started around late 2010.
Another problem that people may have with UKIP, is that the official party policies up to the 2010 general election have been either scrapped or changed, apart from one sole issue, which is an exit from the EU.
BNP also campaign for an exit from the EU.
While I have my own fast-track strategy for an exit from the EU, it is clear to me that we need an economic policy to solve Britain's public debt, unemployment and low-salary problems. BNP is well advanced in this field, with policies that by and large correspond to my own.
In my view, British nationalists should be challenging the unholy corporate-greed creed of the Nasty Party and the Immigration Unlimited.com Social Transformation agenda of the Marxist Labour party.
A common approach where possible by BNP and UKIP, even as two separate parties, would enable campaigners to direct efforts at democratically overcoming the common perpetrator of Britain's downfall, namely the LibLabCon Lodge.
At the next general election, an electoral campaign agreement could be reached so as to avoid a split in the vote.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
absolutely no chance of ukip forging a pact with the bnp, the former are growing in membership by the day and getting councillors elected while the latter is falling by the wayside.
i have had a look at the bnp website and am frankly not impressed.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
Completely agree Howard.
UKIP would lose the vast majority of their support if they created closer links with the BNP - political suicide.
You may be trying to sweet-talk BNP, but in reality, they are the real British Nasty Party.
Roger
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
Completely agree Howard.
UKIP would lose the vast majority of their support if they created closer links with the BNP - political suicide.
You may be trying to sweet-talk BNP Alexander, but in reality, they are the real British Nasty Party.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#5
Neither Howard or Roger are members of UKIP, so that is not a decision to go by.
Let's not forget that the Nasty Party have been calling UKIP a party of cranks and fruitcakes, so why should UKIP supporters be led astray into being courted by the Tories now?
Of-course I respect Howard's view as a non-aligned (at least publicly) view, ie not in the interests of a third political party, but even then it is a personal view.
Supporters of UKIP would need to examine the consequences of being dragged into a further campaign of hostilities against BNP rather than realising that the real perpetrator of Britain's demise is the LibLabCon Masonry.
Brian Dixon
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#6
nil desperandum then.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
this was the first thing i saw when i looked on their site - totally repugnant.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/ukip-%E2%80%93-anybody-can-be-englishBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#8
what a load of cods wallop.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
Howard, I find quite a few Nasty Party policies repugnant.
These policies are ALWAYS backed by Labour and the Liberals.
As for becoming English, do you really think it is a viable policy that hundreds of millions of European Union citizens can come over to England and "become English"?
For some strange reason, people shout "racists" at BNP for stating that it is not viable.
As a matter of curiosity, Howard, do you consider the 700 Al Qaeda muslims from the UK currently involved in massacres in Syria as "English"? (Let's overlook, just for a moment, the official version that "only 40" from the UK are there.
And, as an extra, do you consider as "English" the by far greater number of muslims in the UK who fund and finance Al Qaeda?
I'm just wondering, Howard, because I never see any news of these Al Qaeda terrorists/supporters flying the English Flag.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
you are twisting words alex, like most people i have had and still have friends from other countries that i would consider english/british that work, pay taxes and more importantly join in with life here.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#11
OK, I understand, that what doesn't fit in, doesn't exist.
So, it would appear Howard is the official spokesman for UKIP Dover and Deal, then, and that there is not such a thing as a muslim population in England doubling every 1o years. Currently 3 million in Britain, who all go to mosques.
Next UKIP will be telling us that we are to become muslims in order to be English.
It will no doubt become forbidden to say that English are not muslims.
So if someone goes to South Africa and builds a mosque with Saudi money, do they become a Zulu?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
It's funny that UKIP changes spokespersons so often here, and that any discussion concerning UKIP will be answered by Howard the UKIP spokesperson and by no other.
No doubt Keith Bibby is still studying the UKIP 2010 election manifesto and believing that these policies are still valid.
They've all been cancelled as "drivel" by the UKIP chairman for little England. ha ha
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#13
Labour party marxist ?
You talk about facts as if they are your sole property, but every time you call the labour party marxist you lose your credibility a bit more, and you don't have much left I can assure you.
You have gone from being a UKIP supporter to a BNP supporter, and thgerefore excluded from UKIP, but want the two parties to fight as one.
You have just done the local branch of UKIP the biggest favour you could have done by changing horses to the BNP.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#14
vic,alex's name is dimitri alexander.so not smith or jones.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
Barrie, my membership of UKIP lapsed in 2012.
The UKIP party policies have completely changed in many respects since 2010.
Anyway, parties seem be called with attributes such as racist, nasty, Marxist, fruitcake... it is something, which, sadly, the highest ranking politicians at 10 Drowning Street have contributed to.
Personally I use the term ethnic, not racist, in defining my origins: Anglo-Celtic. Also Jutic-Celtic.
But my opinion was, that UKIP supporters might like avoid being bogged down by the continuous mainstream 3-party ploy of screaming "racist" at BNP and embark in a policy of reality, in opposing the 3-party Establishment without being diverted against BNP.
How's about talking foreign invasions: Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and how close our Country came - or could still come - to being propelled into war against Syria? BNP campaigned against the plans of a few men in high positions in Westminster to attack Syria.
Why do you think the 3-party Lodge always tries to muffle any discussion by using the term "racist"? It is so as to zombify the Public into hating whomsoever opposes their policies and into blindly following the 3-party Lodge into whichever catastrophe they decide to take our Country.
If BNP hated foreigners, then why did they defend Syria from invasion by Britain?
Does Blair care about the Iraqis, of whom hundreds of thousands have died owing to his invasion policies?
Can you blame it on BNP?
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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#16
Alexander,you have received the standard letters which are sent to lapsed former members of UKIP..UKIP rules state that former and existing members of the BNP and EDL cannot join UKIP..If you give me your name and address,I will contact UKIP Head Office and make sure you are not bothered with any more letters..Your membership of BNP excludes you from being a member of UKIP.
Your electoral pact or agreement proposal #1 is delusional..No deals or agreements with the British Nazi Party or EdL
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#17
peter
post 11 clearly states that i am the official spokesperson for ukip dover and deal.
i would appreciate if you cleared with me any statements before posting.
thanking you in advance for your co-operation.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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#19
Sorry Howard..If I have trod on your toes..
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
thanks for the apology peter, i am coming to terms with my anguish.
