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    Yes I recall a chat with one of there leading lights at the swing gate pub when the tories had a big majority
    I said about working towards taking control he scoffed you have no chance

    We managed the first time by joining with 6 lib dems (1 being our Sue) prior to this the lib dem was going to keep the tories in office
    Only by chats to his national office was there a change of heart
    Then the lib dems didn't want to chair any committees
    It was a complete nightmare
    Thankfully the next election Labour took full control holding on for some years
    But one of the local papers ran a campaign to get Labour out(some Labour cllrs and party members refused to recognise it), I did ask the editor if, after the election he was going to continue his crusade on whoever ran the council he said yes but of course he didn't

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