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- 17 December 2017 15:38337248Oops, sorry I forgot we must all follow the "he's a terrorist sympathiser" Line.
- Keith Sansum1
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17 December 2017 16:08337249Michelle of course your correct but the tories think by attempting to muddy the waters it will have an affect, but it could have the opposite affect.
Quite rightly it has been pointed out tory leaders were secretly meeting the IRA etc long before Jezz, it was one of those difficult decisions do you engage with the IRA etc bearing in mind all the innocent people killedGuest 2399 and Brian Dixon like thisALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 17 December 2017 16:11337250Gerry Adams. like it or not, represented a significant amount of the electorate of the UK parliament: From 1983 to 1992 and from 1997 to 2011, he was an abstentionist Member of Parliament (MP) of the British Parliament for the Belfast West constituency.
On occasions, Mr Barrington, you appear to respond in dialogue to Capt Haddock; I refrain from calling you a terrorist sympathiser because I'm civilised and respect the rules of diplomatic discussion.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - Reginald Barrington
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17 December 2017 16:30337253I merely mentioned principles and integrity, at least Douglas Hurd had the decency to condemn terrorism.Arte et Marte - Brian Dixon
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17 December 2017 16:55337256can any one define what terrorisom is, and corbyns part in it,. - 17 December 2017 17:56337265The Labour surge in membership was good at £3 a pop, I have to admit this,,, and I am a big believer in the members wagging the Dog. that's democracy
but why did it not carry them into government ???
pretend labour have a big problem with the old labour working class, like me.
the British poor working class are not convinced, with your open doors, politicly correct representatives. even Jeremy has flipped flopped on his principles on the EU?
I do agree with lots of the policies on the NHS, housing and taking back utilities.
but on the matter of the EU and open doors,, it's just a big no, no for me.
I just don't see how the mass importation of cheap labour, and setting it against your own working class workforce is progress???howard mcsweeney1 likes this - 17 December 2017 18:58337267Keith Bibby wrote:The Labour surge in membership was good at £3 a pop, I have to admit this,,, and I am a big believer in the members wagging the Dog. that's democracy
but why did it not carry them into government ???
pretend labour have a big problem with the old labour working class, like me.
the British poor working class are not convinced, with your open doors, politicly correct representatives. even Jeremy has flipped flopped on his principles on the EU?
I do agree with lots of the policies on the NHS, housing and taking back utilities.
but on the matter of the EU and open doors,, it's just a big no, no for me.
I just don't see how the mass importation of cheap labour, and setting it against your own working class workforce is progress???
I Agree the small fee for £3 helped many new members, as the 18-40 generation of working class in many occasions have very little spare for the average membership fee.
And speaking for myself as a member who was out talking to people during the snap election campaign, we couldn't carry ourselves loud enough past the roar coming from MSM.
Nearly every day there was another story with the narrative of "a Corbyn government, would bring down the sky" and It's very hard to try and teach people the difference between communism, fascism and socialism on the door step, when for too long these things have been conflated by different people, and the whole labour movement being held back by some of those at the top still working against the Majority Memberships choice in leader.
Just think about the backlash Corbyn got after the EU referendum, what would have happened to him if he had dared to back a leave campaign ? (considering he's an original brexitter)
He would have lost his place immediately if he had in my opinion, so played the referendum on the cool, he's unhappy with it, 7/10 about the EU as it is but staying in was safer. Especially considering we had at that time another 4yrs until the next gerenal election, May had a majority, and so it would have been harder to stop the Tory government from damaging the country at that time.
Plus what really annoys me the most is people conflating Europe (the continent) and the European Union (political organisation) I mean for some I had to remind them, we weren't about to row out into the mid Atlantic and abandon our European cousins, just that we didn't want to be politically entangled anylonger.
I'm still with Labours plan for Brexit, and believe that Corbyn is actually the only one more likely to pull it off because he knows the faults and problems with the European Union more than most.
A jobs first Brexit, one that thinks of the people rather than just the 1%.
We have never endorsed open door immigration since the referendum, unless I've missed something.
Because upon leaving the single market the four freedoms automatically end, it is then an opportunity for us make a fair, balanced and sector based immigration policy.
Because until we've been able to plug our skills gap, we are always going to need migration, we've always had migration. Genetics proves we're all former immigrants in some shape or form.
And who was the person before the Eu Referendum highlighting the Workers Posting directive, which is the biggest cause of lower paid workers being brought in by corporations wanting to undercut local wages. You can't blame the (non U.K.) workers for wanting to earn decent money, lay the blame at the feet of those that exploit the workers in the first place. And if everyone was unionised they wouldn't have that issue, because they would all be working at the same rate and have the collective barginging to help uphold workers terms and conditions. Brits, poles and other all alike, on the same wage with the same support, what envy would that cause?
But that's just my thought and opinions.Ross Miller and howard mcsweeney1 like this - 17 December 2017 21:34337271#66 & #67 The £3 one-off payment was for supporters, i.e. a one-off opportunity to vote for a preferred leader of the Labour Party. These were not members and were not afforded membership rights. This was in fee decided on by Ed Miliband and brought into effect when he resigned as leader forcing the first leadership contest (in 2015).
The second leadership contest, in 2016, changed the fee from £3 to £25 for supporters - still no membership rights other than the singularly issue of a one-off leadership voting right.
Members have full rights and pay their subs either on an annual or monthly basis.Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - 17 December 2017 21:50337272http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05125/SN05125.pdf
Parliament's report on party membership figures.
After a further surge around the 2017 GE, Labour membership is currently around 600,000 this does NOT include affiliated members (Trade Unions).Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - 17 December 2017 22:59337274Your right Bishop, thank you for correcting my mistake.
- 17 December 2017 23:07337275I completely forgot about the £25 fee I had to pay in order to vote in the second contest. Because I had only been a Labour member for 5mths and had to pay and additional for the ability to have a say.
So much has happened since 2016, it's had to keep up. I got confused with my Momentum membership fee which is the lower cost. - Captain Haddock
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18 December 2017 00:13337277Michelle wrote:Your right Bishop, thank you for correcting my mistake.
You will find his Grace is rarely ecumenical with the truth.
Guest 1881 likes this"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - Captain Haddock
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18 December 2017 12:56337285Lady Nugee praises Momentum as 'lifeblood' of Labour party!
So that's all right then. I'm glad that's cleared up.
“People shouldn’t feel threatened by youngsters becoming enthusiastic.”
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 18 December 2017 17:17337303If the Conservatives really fear 'the youth', why did they create Activate and talk about a Conservative Glastonbury?!
howard mcsweeney1 likes thisJust because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - 18 December 2017 17:56337306Activate ain't working... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42357159
Couple that with the plummeting demise of the Tory party membership since its 3 million peak (in the 1950s) to its current, or at least 2013*, level of 149,800 and perhaps that's why the Captain feels so strongly about those meddling kids.
*Capt, why is it that CCHQ refuses to publish its membership level any longer?Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - Captain Haddock
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18 December 2017 17:59337307Your Grace,
Why did they create Activate?
As you well know (?) most people get involved in politics due to sexual frustration. You only have to read books like Red at Heart : How Chinese Communists fell in Love with the Russian Revolution:-
Moscow at the time could hardly have been more inhospitable. Food was scarce, the climate was unforgiving, and the language was a nearly insurmountable barrier. Stalinist purges were unpredictable and many Chinese students fell afoul of opaque factional rivalries. But for many Chinese visitors, Moscow remained a paradise, where they found inspiration, ideological affinity, friendship and love — not to mention a lot of sex. Escaping the stifling conformity of China was a common theme.
Youngsters join political movements to get laid. They always have!
Ideology is very much a secondary interest which is why so many of us feigned support for feminism.
(Though whether they have any success nowadays when a fumbled advance is viewed by some as tantamount to common assault God knows! In my youth wimmin seemed almost as 'up for it' as males were, and from all the sampling I managed, those 'of the left' much more sexually adventurous. )
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 18 December 2017 18:12337309Now I realise why you edit most of your comments and state: "removal of an offensive joke".
I venture that you underestimate people that join (most) political parties.Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - 18 December 2017 18:19337311[QUOTE="Captain Haddock"]Your Grace,
Why did they create Activate?
As you well know (?) most people get involved in politics due to sexual frustration.
That is very brave of you to own up Bob, I feel sure that your constituents will appreciate your honesty. - 18 December 2017 18:21337312Reminds me of that old Hancock line where he thought he might join the Young Conservatives but declined as he didn't play Table Tennis and wasn't looking for a wife.Captain Haddock likes this
- Captain Haddock
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19 December 2017 10:13337322
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
