Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Despite being the then Chairman of the DDC Labour group,I resigned several years ago from the Party and became an independant and eventually made an error of judgement on my part and became a member of the Tories, albeit briefly.
Common sense has now prevailed and I am returning to my true beliefs and would hope to rejoin The Labour Party, eventually. To this end I shall be campaigning for the Party in the forthcoming election.
I eagerly await your comments.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth etc(thought I would get in before the Bishop).
Who was it who called you multi coloured Ken at the time? Just remembered it was me.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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What you do and who you support is entirely up to you Ken and nobody else should interfere.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan;
Whilst it is correct Ken or anyone has the right to support any party they wish,
The parties also have the right to have in there membership who they wish.
I'm not sure the Labour party rules would allow ken back, as he stood as a conservative against labour.
I'm sure there fairly desperate for new members but maybe not that desperate lol.
Theres also how principled can a person be?
To go from Labour to a right wing conservative party shows little in the way of principles.
I'v not hidden the fact that I left the Labour party some 7 years ago(or should I say the labour party left me lol) and don't have any intention of returning.
I still have my beliefs with a Labour Party for the working people, but I would NEVER have considered joining another party(even though was approached to)
And don't forget Mr Tranter made many statements on how wonderful Mr Watkins is(probably upsetting a few in the Labour party)
So over to you Labour party
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I remember when the rumour went around about a high level defector from the Labour Party that had sold his soul to the Tories. It was on a Friday evening and I had no idea who it was. The next morning there was an outdoor event organised by the London Rd Community Forum, in Barton Rd if I remember correctly. I saw prominent Tory Roger Walkden who I knew found it difficult to keep things under his hat. I approached him stealthily and told him what I had heard, he replied along the lines of knowing nothing. I then said that it seemed impossible for anyone from Labour going over to the other side and he replied "Labour has changed that is why Ken has joined us" !! I thanked him and left.
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And I do not care
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Theres also how principled can a person be?
I will always respect someone who is brave enough to publicly change their opinion on any subject when they could easily stay silent.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Ken Tranter , the prodigal son returns! Luke Ch15 V32 "But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found."
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Keith where did I stand as a Conservative? I missed that part of my life. As for my support of Paul Watkins, I support the man as he has supported me over the years, that's what friends do. If the Labour Party doesn't accept me as a member I will still support them in any way they ask in there election campaign.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Ken Tranter wrote:. As for my support of Paul Watkins, I support the man as he has supported me over the years, that's what friends do. If the Labour Party doesn't accept me as a member I will still support them in any way they ask in there election campaign.
Fully agree with you comment Ken, some local politicos are liked and respected despite their political affiliations and Paul is one of them.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan;
nothing brave just changing parties (again)
Howard;
of course your correct on politicians working together for the better of the District.
but supporting a leader against what is supposed to be your belief a little different.
Ken;
You know my view of person that switch parties, your not the first and probably won't be the last, its more about who elects/works for you then crossing the floor because as you stated you felt closer to the conservative policies than labour, and had great respect for mr Watkins won't I'm sure go down well in labour circles.
You don't have to have stood in an election, you will in your time as a tory Cllr voted against the labour cllrs many times, something I'm sure they will consider.
Like I said, one a socialist always a socialist, to most socialists they would find it impossible to join a right wing party and support it.
just saying,,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#11 Mr Sansum1, let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
That said, you make some useful points to consider.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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And politicians wonder why the electorate dislikes them
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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D Little wrote:And politicians wonder why the electorate dislikes them
I was on the doorstep this evening and had a similar conversation. People need to do politics and replace the hegemonic class. After all, who wants to have Uncle Albert of Deal leading the convoy! :)
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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The Bishop wrote:I was on the doorstep this evening and had a similar conversation. People need to do politics and replace the hegemonic class. After all, who wants to have Uncle Albert of Deal leading the convoy! :)
Your cover is broken Capt Haddock, you've never been seen in a room together.
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Keith I was never and I repeat never a Tory politician so was never in a capacity to vote against Labour.
However I should remind you that whilst I was a Town Councillor you were forever stating your intense dislike of any Town council and advocated their disbandment,yet you are now a Town Councillor, albeit without allies due to your disingenuous nature.
By the way I have just spent a really enjoyable morning canvassing in Aylsham with my Labour friends and colleagues, both old and new.
I am sure my more learned Forumites will provide a most welcome and appropriate comment on my day, a quote from the Bishop in regard to the Prodigal Son and perhaps a quote from Thomas Paynes Rights of Man would fill the bill.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just for clarification Ken stood as an Independent candidate in St Radigunds ward in the 2007 DDC elections.
Incidentally whilst we are on the subject of defections I have been told that a current DDC councillor has defected to the Tories(as is the fashion nationwide), full confirmation later.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Ken Tranter wrote:Keith I was never and I repeat never a Tory politician so was never in a capacity to vote against Labour.
However I should remind you that whilst I was a Town Councillor you were forever stating your intense dislike of any Town council and advocated their disbandment,yet you are now a Town Councillor, albeit without allies due to your disingenuous nature.
Never let it be said that Keith lets good old fashioned facts get in the way!
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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"When a person applies for re-admission to the Party following an expulsion by the NCC on whatever basis or by automatic exclusion under Chapter 2 4.A above of the membership rules, the application shall be submitted to the NEC for consideration and decision. Such applications shall not normally be considered by the NEC until a minimum of five years has elapsed. The decision of the NEC shall be binding on the individual concerned and on the CLP relevant to the application."
From 2017 rule book re a member who wishes to rejoin after having supported an opposing party, candidate or stood against. you should be fine Ken, good luck.
P.S. I still think you're supporting the wrong side.:
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Ken Tranter wrote:Keith I was never and I repeat never a Tory politician so was never in a capacity to vote against Labour.
However I should remind you that whilst I was a Town Councillor you were forever stating your intense dislike of any Town council and advocated their disbandment,yet you are now a Town Councillor, albeit without allies due to your disingenuous nature.
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That is exactly why we voted him in, to stand up for the ward and Town rather belonging to a group that just nods everything through without debate. Not true about having no allies, the last I heard there were 3 others committed to doing some good for the town, they usually resign from committees on points of principle though. It will be a long haul getting the Town Council to be open in their dealings but It is worth a try.
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