I am NOT a "Brexiteer"
- 17 May 2023 09:20381327Brexit was never going to work because it was always going to pit Tory free marketeer vs. Tory protectionist in the Shires. It was of course only ever about getting Johnson elected.
For it to "work", the UK would have to have an immigration policy of cheap labour, no employment rights and minimal to no regulatory architecture. Not something voters want, of course. - Button
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17 May 2023 10:04381328Neil Moors wrote:Brexit was never going to work because it was always going to pit Tory free marketeer vs. Tory protectionist in the Shires. It was of course only ever about getting Johnson elected.
I thought that it (the manifesto pledge to have a referendum) was about seeing-off UKIP and that Johnson came later.(Not my real name.) - 17 May 2023 10:53381329Neil Moors wrote:For it to "work", the UK would have to have an immigration policy of cheap labour, no employment rights and minimal to no regulatory architecture. Not something voters want, of course.
Exactly the sort of deregulated dystopia that Rees-Mogg and his pals want. That's why so many dummies have been spat out of prams thanks to Sunak's remarkable reverse ferret on shredding legacy EU laws.
Plenty of on-line dictionaries, Button, if you're that concerened about rectifying or ameliorating. Wasn't it Wat Tyler who started the pedant's revolt?
- Button
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17 May 2023 11:34381330I wasn't concerned, so much as wondering what you'd suggest by means of a rectification. Ideological obsession apart obviously
(Not my real name.) - Veronika O
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17 May 2023 11:59381331Dear Reginald Barrington,
Thank you for your viewpoints. As I said, I supported Remain at the Referendum, but I can see now that the EU often does not act in the best interests of its own citizens. It seems more interested in scoring points, bearing grudges, playing political games in its empire-building project.
Unfortunately a lot of Remain voters seem so desperate for Brexit to be a complete disaster, so that they can say "I told you so". However much people may suffer as a result of that. If Brexit does fail then one of the big reasons for that would basically be the negativity of Remain voters undermining it.
Veronika OleksychenkoJohn Buckley likes this - 17 May 2023 12:15381332Button wrote:I wasn't concerned, so much as wondering what you'd suggest by means of a rectification. Ideological obsession apart obviously
Sorry. I didn't think you wanted the obvious to be spelt out. Well, I've already mentioned the spectacular volte face (means same as reverse ferret, in case you're confused) by Sunak on his bonfire of EU laws. And today there has been the news that Stellantis have warned that, if we don't sort out our post Brexit relationship with the EU, we won't have a motor industry.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295
And here's a lovely revue of the damage done to our agricultural sector, even if the government seems rather more reluctant to admit that one yet.
I could go on but frankly I can't be arsed. The actions required have been almost daily news for just too long now. - Button
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17 May 2023 14:31381334Yeah, I did want the obvious spelled out really, but not to worry, I get that you can't be arsed!
As regards (electric) cars, the rules of origin issue (I do so miss Howard) applies equally to EU exports to us as it does to UK exports to them, except that they have a larger home market to fall back on.(Not my real name.) - Veronika O
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17 May 2023 16:08381335Dear Button,
Yes I said '"If" there are advantages and benefits to not be in the EU then surely make the most of them.' I am not writing out great lists of such things. Or great lists of potential disadvantages. I am just talking about having a positive, cheerful and optimistic view about Britain for a change.
Veronika Oleksychenko - 18 May 2023 08:13381342Button wrote:I thought that it (the manifesto pledge to have a referendum) was about seeing-off UKIP and that Johnson came later.
Indeed it was - think where they'd be now if they'd just faced UKIP down at the time. I meant from Johnson's point of view - it was just a vehicle for him to get the top job.Button likes this - Veronika O
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18 May 2023 13:52381345Dear Forumers,
If the UK re-joined the EU it would basically be told to sit down, shut up and accept whatever re-joining conditions the EU decided. And based on the EU's behaviour, since Brexit, those conditons would undoubtedly amount to punitive measures. The EU would continue its policy of trying to put off any other country from leaving. Britain would no doubt have to accept the euro for example, the disastrous single currency. And freedom of movement, which only actually works if there was parity of wages and living conditions throughout the whole EU.
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