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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Only there for two weeks the article says but will there be more brought down once the current lot are moved out?
The Burstin caters a lot for coach holiday makers going to and from the continent, i doubt they will be happy to share the hotel with asylum seekers.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Why should asylum seekers be worse guests than people on coach tours? David, you are handing ammunition to those who think UKIP is racist.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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They usually lump in different groups that have a grievance with each other instead of keeping them apart.
This is a knee jerk move by the home office after the story broke about 600 in one hotel in Croydon.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The difference being Peter the tourists are paying for themselves.
Tbh Peter I considered you above playing the racist card this is about economics. Lets move 500 into Centurion House and 100 into the County Hotel.
We'll see who the NIMBYs are then
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Fine, I would not object. David I am not playing the racist card, just warning you that others will.
As for asylum seekers, let me tell you a story. When I last worked in Saudi Arabia I had a Sri Lankan Tamil friend called Giri Subramanian. He was an extremely well qualified individual with several degrees from Western universities. His job was selected for Saudisation and he was therefore given three months notice. The security situation in his home country being what it was, he applied for a transfer to the bank's London office and that was approved but the UK authorities refused hin a visa. About that time his village in Sri Lanka was attacked by government troops and his extended family mostly murdered. He and his family had existing visit visas for the USA so they left Saudi Arabia with his severance pay and flew to New York.
Being on a visit visa he was unable to apply for jobs in the US so the family took the Greyhound bus to Niagara Falls, walked across the bridge, threw their passports into the falls and claimed asylum in Canada.
Their application was accepted. They now live very happily in a suburb of Toronto. Giri finished his career with a major bank.
So don't tar all asylum seekers with the same brush.
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Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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behind each human beeing is a story to tell. Some more than others... We are extremely lucky with the life we lead.... there are countries I would not want to be right now....
These situations make me rather think twice ...
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But why do we have to play hosts to the World's asylum seekers, when they should seek a safe haven in the first safe country outside of their own ?
The asylum seekers say it, The EU says it and so do the French - the big draw is our benefit system, whether real or perceived, that's the reason why they want to come here.
Roger
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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In fact, Roger we don't play host to the world's asylum seekers. The US is the top destination followed by Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium then the UK. 80% of the world's asylum seekers are housed in the developing world. Research, rather than populist, anecdote, shows that the majority of those who arrive at the UK do so because they have some familial link, some language, or due to post colonial connection between their home country and the UK. The majority are not aware of the benefits system which is more generous in other mainland European countries than here. In short they are not here for benefits and, again, research has shown that immigrants are net contributors to public finances rather than a drain. There is also nothing in international law to say that asylum must be sought in the first country they reach.
I am not naive enough to believe that EVERY immigrant fits the above description but MOST do and it is important to keep a perspective. You have access to the internet - have a quick search and get a broader view.
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Apparently one of the reasons so many want to come here is they already speak our language having learnt it in school.
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Apparently 30 of the ones staying at the "Burstin" went missing in the first 24 hours.
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Heike List wrote: behind each human beeing is a story to tell. Some more than others... We are extremely lucky with the life we lead.... there are countries I would not want to be right now....
These situations make me rather think twice ...
Luck ????
Once:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties
Twice:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
And more ........recent wars...........
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Mark
Your #9 post is very good and I believe gives a true reflection of the situation.
Our benefit system is in complete chaos and costing £Billions more to change it than it will ever save, in the context of stopping some small time fraud.
Refugee's don't travel to the UK for its benefits system.
Some Illegal immigrants might do so, but most come here to work and as you say are "net contributors to public finances rather than a drain".
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Quite agree Gary. There's too much xenophobic propaganda around, which the far Right are seizing upon.
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"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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The problem is there are three kinds of immigrant those who wish to live and settle here, those who come simply to work and send money home and those who are here for all they can get legally or otherwise.
I have no problem at all with the first example as they gradually fit into our society even if some can be slow to integrate.
Most of the second example do not really help our economy as they spend little and take the jobs that those already here should take.
The third example are the ones we could do without we have enough of our own who fall into that category.
Gary I thought you had deserted us as you do not post very often, nice to see you back.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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As our population ages, and the birth rate does not rise, we need immigration to provide a portion of our future workforce.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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That's not the actual scenario Peter, the UK birth rate has risen by 18% in the last 10 years (according to which statistics you use of course), largely due to second generation immigrants according to this
Inpendent report. It's not like that everywhere, Italy is one of the worst European countries for falling birth rate, due to all the kids deciding to stay at home for Mama's cooking.
Any country with a population the size of ours that can't provide an education system that will give it the number of skilled people it needs without relying on immigration is doing something wrong.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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That's right about the birth rate, an added problem is that we are the most densely populated country in Europe save for tiny Malta and our infrastructure will not be able to cope with many more. Regarding Italy, the young there are having more problems getting a start in working life due to immigration of low skilled workers hence they cannot afford to rent their own flat.