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    Tom we could argue all day, if you don't believe change needs to be made then fine, I'm not trying to persuade you.

    Our health service lags behind plenty of others in Europe who don't have such a beaureaucratic machine to contend with, when I travel abroad I dont see ambulances driving past RTAs waving apologetically.

    You're obviously quite happy with the NHS, good for you, Keith thinks it needs reform, so do I.

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