Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:one rule for them#
another for us
No - it is the same rule actually.
If you had the drive, ambition, skill and everything else it takes to become a billionaire then what applies to him would apply to you.
The problem is you don't, neither do I in fact, so we have to make do with what our talents provide.
At the end of the day there are a lot of people out there who will generate massive wealth for themselves and their families from quite poor backgrounds and others who do not. Sadly a lot of those who do not, waste much of what talent they have in whinging about those who do and creating a senseless and pointless 'them and us' attitude.
Keith Sansum1
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Didn't the govt say we are all in this together?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3136 from darren, don't know the full story on each country but the u.s. spends twice as much per capita as any other country but is rated as 37th in the world with regard to quality of healthcare.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Didn't the govt say we are all in this together?
We are....
but we all have different aptitudes, that is a fact of life and is a great thing. We should all be free to maximise talent and drive, be a success, develop businesses and be a success. If you try to make everyone equal it would only be an equality of misery, a bankrupt hell-hole.
If you do not have that talent, don't whinge about other's success but be grateful for it, because you will benefit from the more prosperous country we get as a result.
Brian Dixon
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yep we are all in it up to our necks in government debt,and about to be flushed down the swanny.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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do I believe brian
or barryw??
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It is not a matter of who you believe Keith - but facts of life.
Are you suggesting that people should be stopped from being successful, taking risks and reaping the reward for that?
Are you suggesting that success should be frowned on?
Are you suggesting that what you want is equality ahead and above everything else even if it means an equality of misery?
At the end of the day the only real equality can come from be equal at the lowest possible level. That is not the kind of miserable hellhole I want.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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No barryw
but I am saying
fair days wage for a fair days work
no to compromising safety
good working conditions
minimum wage until all employers can reach this stage
as a starter
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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everybody has a different idea what a fair days pay is keith, employers and employees would never see eye to eye on that.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Which is why we need a minimum wage
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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:Finance Johnnies have gone to far............... .......
Courtesy Guardian....
G20 report warns of global tax chaos
International tax system cannot deal with mobile multinational firms that shift profits to low-tax
countries, says OECD thinktank
The venue for the G20 finance ministers' meeting in Moscow. Photograph: Sergei Karpukhin/Reuters
Governments risk "global tax chaos" as they chase dwindling revenues from multinational companies
unless the international tax regime is radically overhauled, according to a report commissioned
by the G20 group of nations.
On Friday, the chancellor, George Osborne, will hail a two-year action plan drawn up by the OECD
thinktank to clamp down on questionable international corporate tax practices.
The long-awaited report, prepared for a meeting of the G20 finance ministers in Moscow this
weekend, says a "bold move by policymakers" is necessary to prevent a worsening in the position.
The OECD calls it "a turning point in the history of international co-operation on tax".
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And in the 13 years of a labour government they did nothing to prevent this abuse ether
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Where most of your posts go..................
DT1- Location: Dover
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Barry, I really agree with you. But we have to remind ourselves that by your definition of success our current leaders don't fit your parameters.
They didn't take risks; they didn't strive to be better; they are not successful, just rich.
I by no means think that people are all equal, but do believe that there should be more equality in opportunity. People like yourself should be celebrated and self sustainability should be constantly promoted. That being said the people you seem to champion hold few of these qualities.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well said DT1
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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DT1 - You refer to 'current leaders' - I am talking about successful people, not necessarily the same.
Once again you seem to suggest there is something wrong about being rich or wealthy - there is not. You also make a sweeping statement that is patently incorrect. There are many self-made people in this country, many risk takers, many strivers. You may look at someone and think ;fat-cat' but you do not know whether that person is a business angel, invests in EIS or VCT schemes etc etc. The truth is you do not know the facts.
You also seem to suggest that taking away people's wealth will somehow make other better off - again you are wrong, the opposite in fact is true.
To get business success we need the risk takers, the strivers to be successful. You cannot have that while also punishing people because of their wealth. High taxes de-incentivise, red tape adds to costs, protectionism damages job creation.
You have to face the facts. The socialist approach of high taxes, of landing businesses with more and more rules and regulation, more and more employment laws, minimum wages and so on - superficially looks as if it is helping people but it is not, it damages the lives and futures of the more vulnerable. More damage than good.
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Finance Johnnies beware.......................
Courtesy the BBC...........
Government backs jailing reckless bankers
Top of the list will be a new criminal offence of reckless misconduct by top bankers, with a possible jail term.
Banker bonuses are to be deferred by up to 10 years, and could be repayable if the bank has to be bailed out.
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In times gone by, it was the undeserving poor who were the subject of general opprobrium. Now it would appear to be the undeserving rich. Is this general shift of attitude the true legacy of socialism?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There are a lot of words for it Peter - ignorance, stupidity, bigotry - yes indeed the true legacy of socialism.
Jan Higgins
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Peter Garstin wrote:In times gone by, it was the undeserving poor who were the subject of general opprobrium. Now it would appear to be the undeserving rich. Is this general shift of attitude the true legacy of socialism?
I am not sure about the socialism side but it is certainly a legacy of better education for the ordinary person and stupidly high bonuses to the undeserving being made public. By the undeserving I mean those who do not boost profits or efficiency for their company but still manage to get enormous bonuses while their staff's wages are frozen or they get a pitiful rise.
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