Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#1
What a man of principle, resigns as a Tory MP and will stand for UKIP in the by-election.
Batten down the hatches Tory boys, the games up
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
Only Milliband will gain from this and this action pushes the prospect of a referendum further away. So it is very perverse for you to gloat David.
His defection weakens the Tory right in Parliament.
I like Carswell but his action today is illogical and he, a Tory right libertarian, will find the authoritarian right UKIP very uncomfortable bedfellows.
Jan Higgins
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#3
Maybe he hopes to be UKIP leader should Farage fail to get elected.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
At least he has gone about things the right way in resigning but his chances of winning a by-election are better than a general election.
Ukip are strong in coastal communities and no doubt Clacton is one of them.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#5
BarryW wrote:His defection weakens the Tory right in Parliament..
I disagree Barry, his defection may strengthen them as they will now be listened to more to stop others following.
I've always thought that if the Conservative high command represented the views of the majority of the membership then there would be no reason for UKIP to exist, but the present lot are more like their coalition partners.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
At the start of the year it seemed certain that the blues were heading for an outright majority next May, since then the inexorable rise of UKIP has taken votes from both of the major parties.
This high profile defection is a body blow for Dave with the chance of more jumping ship. Another cobbled together coalition is on the cards but who will it be? Lord Cashrich's polls shows the reds ahead in key marginals meaning that there is a strong possibility that Red Ed and Nigel Farage would have to form an unlikely alliance.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#7
It's by no means a shoe-in. The existing candidate is refusing to budge for the parachute drop.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
I take back what i said in post 4 the man is an utter creep, UKIP were favourites to topple him and now he wants to oust the existing candidate just so that he keeps his seat.
Principled? My backside.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
Captain Haddock
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#10
"The final elected candidate will be decided by the National Executive Committee. There will not be a hustings". Ukip. The people's party.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
Haven't seen that anywhere Bob i thought that local associations decided on the candidate.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#12
Howard, probably uniquely for any party they publish their
Rulebook online for anyone to read.
Page 48, para 5.23 to 5.25
Brian Dixon
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#13
and its not looking good for blue dave,5 more torys are in talks with ukip.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#14
All they are thinking about is holding on to their pay packet .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#15
That's how i see it, only the ones under threat from UKIP are defecting, watch some of the reds jump ship next.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#16
BarryW wrote:Only Milliband will gain from this and this action pushes the prospect of a referendum further away. So it is very perverse for you to gloat David.
His defection weakens the Tory right in Parliament.
I like Carswell but his action today is illogical and he, a Tory right libertarian, will find the authoritarian right UKIP very uncomfortable bedfellows.
Barry as you know I enjoy your blogs and discussing politics with you, we broadly agree on many things. However your post sums up the problem the tories face and precisely why Carswell has left.
As I pointed out when we last met, the hierarchy, led by Cameron, simply don't represent the backbenchers and conservative membership. Instead of wailing that Milliband will benefit (frankly I couldn't care less) you have to ask why Carswell has acted so boldly. Actually, you know the answer.
More worryingly for you, this is just the start, Tory MPs with a small majority and a threat from UKIP will be talking to Carswell.
Still time to climb aboard the UKIP express Barry, far better than clinging on to a sinking ship
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
That says it all David.
You don't care if Milliband benefits....
That clearly translates into 'I don't care if we get a Milliband led Eurofanatical government that locks us deeper into the EU morase'
I want out of the EU and a broadly right wing approach to government which means less of it. Pity you don't care about getting that.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#18
might have helped if we had the referendum when blue dave promised it ,and not in 2017.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#19
Barry, I represent UKIP, I don't care a jot if Milliband replaces the awful Cameron.
You really need to rethink this Barry and ask why Carswell and a huge % of tory voters are leaving the party. It seems all you have to offer is:
Milliband is worse
Awful state of affairs Barry, Cameron has led you up the garden path.
John Buckley
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#20
One of Dave`s biggest problems is one of trust and quite simply he has lost that with a large number of his membership. His leadership and judgement on most things are poor and the electorate are now aware of this.
Nobody is being fooled by his wishy washy promise of a referendum in 2017 if his party win next years election. Cameron himself is a europhile and if a referendum was in fact delivered at that time it would only come after the British public had been suitably brain washed with the chicanery that would ensue prior to any vote. No doubt his pals in Brussels would contrive to give him one or two meaningless "concessions" so that he could return victorious, like Chamberlain, and tell us what a good deal we had got!
We are haemorraging millions of pounds to the EU on a daily basis, money that is lost and will never be seen again whilst our own public services etc., are struggling to cope with shortages. This has to stop.
If Cameron was really genuinely serious about giving us a referendum then we would have had one by now. The only true reason for the delay is that it gives him more time for manoeuvre and deception in order to eventually obtain the outcome that he wishes for.
A week is a long time in politics, never mind three years!