howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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#3
don't forget the food parcels.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
Two more senior moderate Conservative MPs are facing deselection votes at their annual meetings as the “purple momentum” assault on them by hardline Eurosceptics gathers pace. Sir Alan Duncan is facing a motion of no confidence at his annual meeting, while Sarah Wollaston, chairman of the Health select committee, is facing a challenge at either an extraordinary meeting in the next fortnight or an AGM.
The news came as Steve Barclay, the Brexit secretary, is due in Brussels on Monday for talks with EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier, ahead of a key speech on Mrs May’s Brexit deal by Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General, on Tuesday. Theresa May, the Prime Minister, is also set to go to Brussels this week for more talks about agreeing a Withdrawal deal to take the UK out of the EU at the end of next month.
Sir Alan, a senior foreign office minister who has been critical of Eurosceptic Tories, has already been readopted by his local party’s executive but is now facing a motion of no confidence at the party's annual meeting on March 15. In Dr Wollaston’s constituency, a letter signed by more than 50 members calling for an extraordinary meeting to deselect the MP will be presented to John Smith, the local party chairman on Monday. If that fails a motion is set to be tabled at the party's annual meeting on March 30.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Sarah Wollaston shows the wisdom of Cameron/Osborn Open Primary experiment. She soon provided evidence of that folly. I’m surprised it has taken this long for her Constituents to make a move on her. She is a classic Liberal.
Keith Sansum1
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Without doubt the 7 and others who join them
will only help this detested govt stay in number 10
I think all of the 7 were going to be de selected anyway
its about now what kind of labour do you want
And can that party get itself elected
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sarah Wollaston has shown two qualities that were bound to make her a target for certain amongst the Tory rank and file. Firstly, she is honest. Secondly, she is prepared to put the national interest above keeping the most incompetent and disingenuous version of her party together.
She should be warmly applauded.
Keith - there are still many votes in Dover who are at heart Labour supporters. Talk to some of them and you will understand why this constituency will never return a Labour MP whilst he leads the party. Equally, that is why he will never lead a Labour government with its own majority.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I come at this with from a slightly geeky viewpoint. On the face of it, I can see why many might conclude that under Corbyn, Labour just isn't electable and moreover, whether he actually wants to be Prime Minister.
However, having spent so long in the civil service, I also know that if he were elected, Momentum would be left at the door of number 10 and the civil service would soon have JC house trained as it were. Indeed, I actually think Corbyn, being subjected to the reality of Governing through the civil service may actually be a really good outcome!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Ray
I talk to labour supporters and non political every day
So I'm fully aware why some won't be voting at the next General election
Thus why I arranged a public meeting to allow all 4 parties to be questioned and were
All the parties have a big problem with turnout at elections
Thus why I think and said a long time ago unless Labour gets involved in communities
As a start they will be out of office for a minimum 25 years
Not what I want but it is reality
I'm meeting Charlotte at the end of the month and will be putting all these points to her
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just for once I agree with Gapes, it really isn't the right time for by-elections, not just because of the situation with the EU but there is a strong possibility of a General Election later this year.
https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/jas-athwal-calls-for-byelection-1-5897855?utm_medium=email&utm_source=eshot&utm_campaign=newsletterlinkhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Time for a conspiracy theory courtesy of the Telegraph.
A Jeremy Corbyn ally has suggested that a group of seven MPs who quit Labour are being secretly funded by Israel. Ruth George, a Labour MP, said it was "possible" that Israel is a financial backer of the breakaway Independent Group of MPs. It came after the breakaway group of MPs accused Labour of "institutional" anti-Semitism and racism. Tom Watson, Labour's Deputy Leader, said that a “virulent form of identity politics” had seized the party, as he rallied behind Luciana Berger, a pregnant Jewish MP, who he said had become the “first casualty” of anti-Jewish hatred.
Ms George was asked on Facebook if she endorsed the position of a Labour councillor who had liked a post describing the independent MPs as "Israelis", she said: "The comment appears not to refer to the independent MPs but to their financial backers. "Support from the State of Israel, which supports both Conservative and Labour 'Friends of Israel' of which Luciana was chair is possible and I would not condemn those who suggest it, especially when the group's financial backers are not being revealed. It's important for democracy to know the financial backers for any political group or policy."
Ms George later released a statement, saying: "I unreservedly and wholeheartedly apologise for my comment. I had no intention of invoking a conspiracy theory and I am deeply sorry that my ill-thought out and poorly worded comment did this. I withdraw it completely."
Jan Higgins
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I suppose that idea is about as likely as Corbyn being supported by whichever Arab nation you fancy
, promoting an unlikely theory is better than admitting why those MPs left the party.
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Weird Granny Slater
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I assume they left the Labour Party because fundamentally they're not socialists and, as several of them have connections with the SMF, they appear to have more in common with Blair-Brown and the wet wing of the Conservative Party. Of course, they should seek re-election, as any representative should who leaves the political party whose platform he or she was elected on. They won't, of course, as they're essentially no different from the others in believing that they own their seat, never mind that they've disenfranchised their electorate.
As far as money is concerned, as the seven are not a political party but 'supported' by a limited company (established 16 January 2019, one director: Gavin Shuker) they aren't required to disclose any sources of income. The Secret Seven, perhaps? What an adventure this could turn out to be. But given that a couple of them were on the Telegraph's radar during its investigation into MP's expenses, I doubt they'll have any problems raising finance.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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or it could be a remake of this old chestnut.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The rumour mill in full flow at Westminster with 3 Tory MPs expected to join the 8 from Labour in the new grouping before the PM takes questions later.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Certainly the 7 didn't start well with a major racist gaff
But they were all selected by the local party at present under a labour ticket and got increased majorities on the Labour manifesto
To make sure they still have the support of locals they should stand as indies and if they win bye election then we can see the people are with them
Some of the views coming from the group on pro privatisation and anti nationalisation tells me where there coming from
Then the unfortunate racist slip gave another side to this group
So OK they will keep corbyn out but at same time let T may in
Most if not all of the 7 were about to be deselected
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I wouldn't assume that recent events will benefit the Tories Keith, there is a major re-alignment in progress due to our two big parties being taken over by extremists. The Lib Dems seem incapable of taking advantage so all we can do is watch events unfold over the next few months.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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It will be interesting to see who these new (now 10) Independents choose to vote on things other than Brexit, will they automatically side with their old parties or actually think for themselves.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#16, what racist gaff keith.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I didn't think it was racist Brian, just a poor choice of words.
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