Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Excellent article in the Grauniad today in response to White Paper on the so-called 'housing crisis' which really should be required reading for all councillors on 'planning'.
There really is no need to ruin what is really a rather nice place to live with yet more breeding boxes for London overspill be it at Whitfield, Connaught Barracks, Sholden, Aylesham or anywhere else in the district.
Today's article :-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/08/people-fallen-through-net-wont-get-home-sajid-javid
Not that things have changed! :-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/30/housing-crisis-policy-myth-realities
I don't expect any change though as long as my stupid fellow Conservatives think all of us working our arses off to own something to keep the weather out is some sort of metric for how 'well off' we are or Labour keep bleating about 'surely the fifth richest country in the world should provide housing for all' and other silly transitional demands.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Simple mathematics bob
If an economy is reliant on millions working for £7.20 or just above rents need to be truly affordable.
The con is banks love to lend money they print and building company’s love to sell poorly constructed accommodation at 3 or 4 times the true build price. All this coupled with past and present governments encouraging millions to rock up and plant themselves in the UK .
The quick soliton is the same as after WW2 prefabs .And stop electing politician that have made the mess in the first place.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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On BBC's Breakfast the other morning they were at a factory that builds the very nice modern version of prefabs, so the "quick solution" is in place.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I read some time back about a London council planning to build houses in factories and install four storeys high which would house a lot of people without resorting to high rise development. I think they had about a 50 year lifespan.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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It is perfectly possible to build high density housing without high rise development. See Arnold Circus :-
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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And here (for anyone interested) is how you build high density in 2017:-
http://www.proctorandmatthews.com/project/abode-great-kneighton
https://julietwist.co.uk/developments/new-islington-manchester/
Meanwhile, all over the district, the Lettraset designs roll out:-
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Bob Whysman
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https://julietwist.co.uk/developments/new-islington-manchester/
Obviously designed with the modern trend of working from home in mind.
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Brian Dixon
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sorry its becoming like this.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'Unfortunately, due to the housing crisis, many youngsters are forced to live with their parents'.
Oh! Hang on! Hardly any change here!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/family-demography/young-adults-living-with-parents/2011/young-adults-rpt.html
"20 per cent increase in 20 to 34 year olds living with parents since 1997
In 2011, nearly 3.0 million adults aged between 20 and 34 were living with a parent or parents, an increase of almost half a million, or 20 per cent, since 1997. This is despite the number of people in the population aged 20 to 34 being largely the same in 1997 and 2011." Source: National Archives quoting the ONS in 2011/2.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
Some notes that accompany the chart:
1. Once a person either lives with a partner or has a child, they are considered to have formed their own family and are no longer counted as being part of their parents’ family even if they still live in the same household. Therefore such people are deemed to be not living with their parents here.
2. The term "Parent" could include grandparents, step-parents or foster parents.
3. Students living in halls of residence during term-time and living with their parents outside term-time are counted as not living with their parents here.
Even without those being added to the total a jump from 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 is very significant, but that is the joy of statistics you can make them say almost anything you like.
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Comparing posts 11 and 10, it would appear that some of the 'young' adults (now 4 years older) were still there in 2015, neither generation having bumped the other off in a regrettable lapse of tolerance.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Looks like some Kent MPs have finally realised what's going on. Did our Charlie sign?
(The comment's section is beginning to make my own views appear positively liberal!)
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/kent-mps-urge-minister-to-120623/"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I would have thought it would be obvious that the London councils would try to shift their more troublesome inhabitants out of their areas given the chance.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:I would have thought it would be obvious that the London councils would try to shift their more troublesome inhabitants out of their areas given the chance.
Been doing it for decades, when I was a kid in East London they shipped out the problem families to Ockendon in Essex which was one huge estate surround by bleak countryside. Councils on the west side of London used Milton Keynes amongst others and later the Stanhope Estate in Ashford bcame home to "Sarf" London riff raff.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Hence the proliferation of 'fried chicken' outlets which one hears some parts of the vibrant London community (whose diversity we daily celebrate) are quite partial to?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I always thought the NHBC guarantee meant there wouldn't be slipshod building work otherwise the pay outs would not make it viable.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/16/new-home-owners-gagged-over-poor-build-and-compensation-claimsGuest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Howard
Most new housing is a poor quality wooden shed with a one layer brick skin.
mostly Sterling board salvaged wood chippings joists and floors and plastic pipes.
Even the bricks are air blown clay to enlarge the clay mass ,gives you a cheaper softer light crap brick.
Erected on mass for around £55000 k and sold for £200’00 k. the only good thing I can say about them is they are very good on insulation.
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