Keith Sansum1
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#21
It will be interesting to watch the conferences where many promises will be made, it's labours turn this week making promises but very unclear where all the dosh is to come from.
Listening to the shadow education sec it appears they want to hit the rich in some way.
They are careful not to over cost things, but it's the uncertainty on how it will all be paid for is where the problem lies.
With the big unions, and of course the labour left wing leading the party, the move to nationalise a number of industries again will cost billions but where and how this will be done is unclear.
Without doubt there had to be an alternative to this shambolic Govt. and without doubt come the next election there will be clear choice at the next election.
But rallying your own troops is easy to do, it's that much harder to convince the wider arena, such as middle England where Labour will need to secure this vote.
But to secure this vote will go against much of what the left in the party would want.
It's ok being in opposition and attacking those in Govt, its quite different to be that Govt, which many on the left wouldn't want as they would have no one to attack.
I keep hearing Labour spouting they want to protect the NHS yet under the past Labour govt just as much privatisation continued to take place with no uproar.
under labour prior to forming a govt I went to westminister hall to listen to Prescott /biggerstaff(unison) who told hundreds of people that labour would renationalise the railway if they got into Govt, as soon as they got into Govt Prescott changed his mind so he actually misled a lot of people and will this happen again.
I'm a great believer in not just slamming those in govt, but being an alternative
interesting tosee how it all unfolds after j corbyns speech today
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#22
It's ok being in opposition and attacking those in Govt, its quite different to be that Govt, which many on the left wouldn't want as they would have no one to attack.
Spot on Keith, back in 2015 a newly elected member to the National Executive said "winning in 2020 should not be seen as priority". What is the point of being in Politics if you do not want to gain power to do what you think is right?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#23
You can do nothing in opposition apart from moan about the Govt, that helps no one.
I'm also worried and have said so in writing weekly to the mercury that these promises are being uncosted and made, but under the last labour govt they could have done many of these canges but chose to continue down the tory line.
and miss leading people is wrong
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#24
The Messiah addressed the adoring multitudes in Brighton earlier, I can't see Theresa having her name chanted by the delegates at her Conference.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#25
Teresa may get chants,not the nice ones expected though lol
JC\ did what he needed to do
but all the renationalise everything not costed just the rich will pay, doesn't add up.
and having gone all the way to Westminster and promised it all before,,,,,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#26
The Shadow Chancellor reckons he can claw back 32 billion quid from tax dodgers to pay for most of it but I suspect that is rather optimistic and that top legal brains will find more loopholes when they need to.
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#27
Brian Dixon
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#28
ok, lf you insist howard.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#29
What I'm interested in is before the next conference starts JC without doubt has not moved from his beliefs and now is challenging the system.
He will have a number of problems ahead as I'm sure hes aware.
1; his party ,may not all want to go down his left wing ideals and divisions open up
2; The establishment are well organised and will be working behind the scenes to damage labour
at every opportunity.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#30
According to the bookies the next General Election will be in 2018 or 2019 with the two main parties neck and neck on who will get the most seats.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#31
I do wonder about that,
Listening to the labour leader in Scotland who recently resigned Scotland is still going for a econd referendum which labour here doesn't go with
So for labour to win seats back in Scotland where labour should be strong will take some doing.
Labour without doubt across the country has taken its electorate for granted.
small examples of this;
locally losing seats in its safest seat ion st rads
in wales labour used to weigh there votes rather than count them lol
but over the years they slowly lost seats until on some councils they lost control, I visted wales once a year and saw how strong labour was 30 years ago, and slowly I watched seats being lost because they became to cocky
I'm pleased political parties in some areas can no longer rely on there traditional vote.
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Jan Higgins
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#32
Whoever has been tutoring Jeremy Corbyn on how to be a party leader and improve his image will undoubtedly be very pleased at the outcome, JC is totally different in front of the media from when he became Labour leader.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#33
Without doubt theres a chance he could be P.M
But he will be up against a very well organised establishment who will do all they can to keep him out.
It was amusing if you listened to JC when he said the D Mail during the last general election did a 14 page attack on JC and labour membership increased by 10% lol
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#34
Mrs May will be watching her back closely at Tory Conference, others will want to steal the show to further their leadership ambitions.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/29/jostling-for-position-who-to-watch-at-tory-conferenceCaptain Haddock
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#35
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Mrs May will be watching her back closely at Tory Conference, others will want to steal the show to further their leadership ambitions.
Absolute rubbish. My new best friend J R Mogg for example told me he has had a most amusing summer, as someone who was rarely courted by the media, generally adding to the gaiety of the nation but does not even consider himself a serious contender.
Even those who think themselves Prime Minister material are happy for Theresa to remain PM until Brexit is sorted as
IF it all goes tits up (which it won't) Theresa can carry the can.
Meanwhile if Boris or others even commented on the weather, the press would report this as a coded reference to his ambitions, as it sells papers and fills airtime.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
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#36
#35 Hang on. Whilst reading your post, oh Capt, my Capt, an epiphany occurred. Your three seemingly dismissive 'Sir Francis Urquhart' paragraphs taken as a whole - a gestalt, if you will - persuades me that
YOU are going to challenge for the leadership. I'm right aren't I?
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
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#37
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
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#38
That is hideous.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#39
Considering there is "no vacancy" for at least four years two of the front runners are putting down clear markers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/30/boris-johnson-warns-theresa-may-brexit-transition-cannot-exceed/Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#40
in fighting bad for torys good for labour.a gen/election any one
