Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Bob you joined a political party once. So you were an idiot. QED. Perhaps not now you’ve seen the light though.....
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,561
Pablo
I think you will find bobs been in 3 parties that I'm aware of
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Charlie likes to present himself as the helper of the downtrodden on things like disability payments, funding for schools, bus services run for the people etc but his voting records gives a more accurate picture.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24777/charlie_elphicke/dover/votesPaul M and Ross Miller like this
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Tricky time for Charlie with a leadership contest looking likely this Summer, he has to back the right candidate in order to further his own ambitions. Johnson is the favourite of activists and party members but I don't see the MPs sending him forward into the last two, the main reason being they know him.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,225
This is what is going to happen - with it so obviously being the dying days of May's premiership - the ERG position is only going to be strengthened as ambitious tories try to out Brexit each other.
At this time, any competent opposition would clean up (leaving aside Been, Cooper, Starmer, Bryant etc), but alas, we are left with Bercow trying to hold it all together until there is an outbreak of common sense.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
sounds like anarchy to me. some mp's have threatened to walk if Johnson becomes prime minister.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
http://elphicke.com/media/local-news/a-brighter-future-for-dover-and-deal/1447
Mate, forgive me, but Westminster is making such an on-going cods of Brexit that I don't actually remember 2015, much less your artificial benchmark of 2010.
Bit tired of it all, to be frank. Any chance you could sing me one of your 'Ready on Day 1, deal or no deal' lullabies to help me to sleep?
(Not my real name.)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
here you are button moon.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,225
Charlie lost huge credibility here - Brexit is clearly a game for him, in which he uses it as a vehicle to advance his own personal ambitions. He couldn't care less about his constituents. Shocking, given the context of Dover being so exposed.
He votes remain, then backs leave to the extent of being a rampant ERGer. Despite saying we should just get on with it and leave, he continually votes not to leave. In voting not to leave, he does so because the deal is apparently so bad he couldn't possibly do it.....unless of course the PM resigns, in which case all of a sudden it is an acceptable deal. He is now reduced to retweeting Priti Patel into oblivion. Poor.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Full statement from Chas and he is coming under intense fire from his supporters.
I have always been clear we must respect the referendum result and leave the EU, deal or no deal.
Sadly, people who never accepted that will not allow us to leave without a deal - and look set to force through a soft Brexit or even a second referendum.
I believe this would cause serious damage to this country's great tradition of democracy. It would also lead to endless argument over Brexit - when people want us to get on with it and focus on other hugely important things, like schools, hospitals, home ownership and law and order. I will therefore give my support to the Withdrawal Agreement. Because as some of the longest and strongest supporters of Brexit have said, while it is not a good deal, it is better than not leaving at all. And that is the choice we now face.
It still means an end to billions for Brussels bureaucrats. An end to uncontrolled immigration. An end to having to adopt new EU laws on tax, the environment, labour, state aid and business. New controls over farming and fishing. Over the next two years, after we have left the EU, strong leadership will give us the opportunity to negotiate a positive future relationship and escape the Backstop trap.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,470
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,680
Good Lord he cannot seriously believe the horse manure he is spouting
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"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,655
Ross Miller wrote:Good Lord he cannot seriously believe the horse manure he is spouting
I bet he does he is an MP, it is the public who have their doubts about the honesty of the rubbish all MPs of any party are spouting at the moment.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
well there is only one thing to say about this
politicians and diapers must be changed often. and for the same reason.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
It is likely that Charlie's new boss and therefore the person who may either aid or thwart his political ambitions will be a hardline Brexiteer. That's to say he or she will once have believed that we would be entering into a state of vassalage by accepting May's deal but now feels that is a price worth paying.
I'm sure he'll fit in well with May's lucky successor.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I think that Charlie must be regretting his latest commitment to voting through the deal on the grounds that JRM told him to as the latter is now saying that his vote is dependent on what the DUP decide. Still if Boris ascends to high office after this fiasco he will need a good bottom polisher with him so all is not lost.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
catchfart: (n) - definition:
A lackey, a particularly submissive subordinate willing to follow so closely behind one's superior as to position themselves in range of breaking wind.
see also gove (n)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Charlie's jobs and apprenticeships fair was going great guns when I went past earlier, people coming out clutching forms and others fighting their way through the melee to get into the Town Hall.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I heard it was a riot.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,470
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Charlie's jobs and apprenticeships fair was going great guns when I went past earlier, people coming out clutching forms and others fighting their way through the melee to get into the Town Hall.
It was indeed busy. Queues of Giro-monkeys at most stalls getting form signed from Job Centre to 'prove' they were actively seeking employment.
I left quickly after Border Force dog started taking an interest in me while I was talking to officers on stand.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'