Budget next week
- Reginald Barrington
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30 October 2018 17:36350702It was called plagiarism in my day! Nowadays I have heard it called cut and paste politics.Arte et Marte - Jan Higgins
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30 October 2018 17:43350703#17 and #20.
Always easy to grumble and complain when you do not have to balance the books and are supporting the opposition.
A budget by any party is always wrong if they are not your chosen party, either to much given away or not enough handed out.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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30 October 2018 18:44350706I have just been reading a few other labour budget responses and it has become quite clear that labour ppc's are still using template statements, excerpts of Charlottes are lifted almost word for word from statements from the likes of John McDonnell and Angela Rayner, some at least have the decency to quote the source though not 'Our' Charlotte.Arte et Marte - Reginald Barrington
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30 October 2018 18:45350707As the Captain would say: "not an original thought among them" though in a different vernacular.Arte et Marte - Weird Granny Slater
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31 October 2018 10:20350718I wouldn't have thought that being upbrung in 'leafy sussex [sic]' is a worthy disparagement for a modern day politician. Our right Charlie is Huntingdon born, and went around the houses in Lambeth, Dulwich, St Albans and Westminster trying to find a political home before renting Dover. This is no defence of Ms Cornell, by the way, rather a reflection on the nature of the shadow democracy that we live under now. Politics is a career not a calling, and we are not well-served by it.
Talking of shadows (and back on topic), a rather predictably German expressionist budget, I thought, with the undead neoliberal Nosferatu negotiating the precarious angles and plunging his fangs yet again into the neck of our pale, exhausted body, assuaging us with little 'jokes' and reassuring us that our blood is for a good cause.'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus - 31 October 2018 11:51350723Talking of upbringing I used to drive past Charlie's public school on the way to the cricket in Chelmsford and it always reminded me of the one the Billy Bunter went to. I can just picture Charlie shouting "cripes it's Quelch".
- 31 October 2018 23:22350739Jan Higgins wrote:#17 and #20.
Always easy to grumble and complain when you do not have to balance the books and are supporting the opposition.
A budget by any party is always wrong if they are not your chosen party, either to much given away or not enough handed out.
But your glorious leader has declared that austerity is over, so let's just wait and see how over it is and for whom.Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - Captain Haddock
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1 November 2018 00:08350740Nice too see you back Your Grace. I trust the retreat went well.
Austerity? As Professor Joad might have said before getting caught fare dodging ‘it depends what you mean by austerity’.
It was of course the last Labour Government under Gordon Brown, who when not knighting the likes of Phillip Green and Fred Goodwin, or opening Lehman Brothers new HQ in London was intent on deregulating the UK banking system.
Not unlike Dover District Council with its sure-fire investment portfolio in Commercial Property on borrowed money nothing could possibly go wrong.
Except it did leaving poor old Alistair Darling floundering around and ending up giving loans and guarantee commitments of over £1,000 billion to save the UK banking system and more importantly to save our mortgages and pension funds.
(Funny that the worldwide banking crisis which affected 'everyone' didn't include Canada? https://www.nber.org/digest/dec11/w17312.html)
Come the 2010 election and what was Labour offering?
Let’s quote Alistair Darling on the eve of the election, asked by the BBC how his plans compared with Thatcher's attempts to slim the size of the state, Darling replied: "They will be deeper and tougher – where we make the precise comparison I think is secondary to an acknowledgement that these reductions will be tough."
What did the IFS say? ‘hefty tax rises and Whitehall spending cuts of 25% were in prospect during the squeeze lasting until 2017’
Fortunately the nation voted Conservative and it did not have to be that way.
We now have record employment in the UK, people doing real jobs for real hours working for real wages (only 2.7% are on so called zero hours contracts – and most people on them actually want them).
We have taken 4 million of the lowest earners out of income tax altogether, and given 30million more workers a tax cut.
Youth unemployment is the second lowest in the EU at 11.5 % compared t0 20.4 % for example in France.
We have become a more equal society. The Gini-coefficient showing the spread of income between the richest and the poorest being at the lowest in over 20 years.
Meanwhile the highest earning 1% in the UK pay an estimated 28% of all income tax. That is the highest percentage ever, under any Government.
I also note that the Conservatives are continuing to worship at the National Religion – the National Health Service – by making votive offerings of yet another £20 billion – twice what Labour was offering at the last election.
(I sometimes seriously think that just as Prussia was described as “an army with a state attached”, historians of the future will describe the UK as “a health service with a state attached”).
What is not to like?
Personally I can’t think of a better country to be alive in at a better time in its history.
As Harold Macmillan said back in the Sixties ‘You’ve never had it so good’.
Stop whining.Guest 2478 likes this"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson - 1 November 2018 01:03350741My post (#27) keeps my powder dry, dear boy. Yours, oh Captain my Captain (#28) appears to be getting the attack in first. Fearing the worst, are 'we'?
On the Gordon Brown front, in case you haven't taken the hint, I'm NOT a New Labour worshipper.
On the highest earning 1%, how much on average do the highest earning 1% honestly 'take home' and honestly 'contribute to the Exchequer'? If you like, you may quote me in percentage terms based on the average earnings and exchequer contribution of the other 99% or indeed the working poor. Or you could base it on the actual pound for pound amount the 1% pay versus the 99% or indeed the working poor.Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES. - Weird Granny Slater
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1 November 2018 07:39350742We should be warned before any Party Political Broadcast On Behalf Of The Conservative Party that we might experience a spinning effect resulting in reality dislocation.'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus - Jan Higgins
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1 November 2018 08:13350743The Bishop wrote:But your glorious leader has declared that austerity is over, so let's just wait and see how over it is and for whom.
My " glorious leader" ?
Thankfully I do not have a leader, unlike the majority of political posters in this group I am not politically driven.
As for your austerity comment I do not think it is over but hopefully is on the way out.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12 November 2018 18:52351232Boris and the Mogg doing the decent thing?
Much more to do with voting down the budget and hurting the PM and Chancellor.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/12/jacob-rees-mogg-and-boris-johnson-join-fobt-rebellion