howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,527
Absolute bollocks. Why should there be an increase in counterfeit or substandard goods imported from EU overnight? #ProjectFear must be getting desperate if this is the best that they can do.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
- Posts: 148
Those damned, pesky experts! Who needs 'em, eh?
I love the way you relapse into profanities when facts collide with your ideology. The only ones getting desperate in this sad, slow saga are those confronted with the facts when project fear continues its painful morph into project reality.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,527
Bollocks times two. Trading standards say we want need More officers, police say we need more coppers, medics - nurses, farmers - fruit pickers, RAF - pilots, academics - teachers, etc.
Basically everyone thinks their job is important and everything would be better if only we had even more people doing such an important job.
E.g. at DDC some councillors actually thought we needed MORE councillors!
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
- Posts: 148
This debate is not about police or pilots or academics. Does that make your point bollocks x 3?
Kent and in particular Dover is heading for a disastrous awakening in one years time. It's hard to see how the situation can be mitigated this late in the day. If DDC have any influence at all in such matters, I would urge them to crank it up. This sort of bleating is more than just bollocks - it is harmful.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,919
Neil Moors wrote:I don't think the colour of skin point is relevant, but I do think the generational division and harking back to the past is.
Neil
I don't think the colour of the skin point is relevant, but I do think the generational division and harking back to the past is.
Neil, ‘harping back to the past’ is possible for some as they have a true experience of what life was like then. Also the way the original set up has morphed into a European power grab at other countries expense is a cause for concern for many.
I suppose a simplistic view would be one that says; we know what we had and signed up for in the past, but it is pure speculation about what the future holds.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,865
Captain Haddock wrote:Basically everyone thinks their job is important and everything would be better if only we had even more people doing such an important job.
Well if it's true, as you imply, that the opposite's the case, then we can expect all the extra civil servants the government's taking on to make Brexit a resounding failure:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43372084'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
trying to leave it, 37.1 billion to pay in installments until 2064. cheaper to stay in.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Brian Dixon wrote:trying to leave it, 37.1 billion to pay in installments until 2064. cheaper to stay in.
Factor in inflation over this period Brian and what figures will we be looking at?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Nice to know that we will help top up the pensions of the elite for another 40 odd years.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
a lot more me thinks bob
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I doubt the Transport Secretary knows what he is talking about in saying there will be no checks on trucks leaving Dover.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/transport-secretary-vows-to-keep-kent-moving-161597/Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I doubt the Transport Secretary knows what he is talking about in saying there will be no checks on trucks leaving Dover.
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Says Howard whose expertise in traffic management and cross border trade is based on exactly what?
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,911
There is no doubt about it, Mr McS, Mr Grayling is utterly wrong and doesn't understand the current situation, much less the future one. Worrying in a Transport Secretary and he really should confer with his colleagues first.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,911
Mr McS can read documents in the public domain as well as the next man and has, I believe, experience in the industry of dating agencies for cargo and trucks. If you doubt him, pop down and have a chat with the guys in Lord Warden House.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,243
So maybe he at least thinks he knows what he is talking about. Reports that we are considering a completely open border policy with zero customs checks applied.
Back in the day, I worked on the checkouts in Pioneer. Remember Pioneer? Well, one day the tills crashed completely. Rather than risk the sight of trolleys backing up through the aisles, the manager instructed us to count the number of items, charge £1 per item regardless of what it was and that was the total amount. No queues at all, but bottles of whiskey going through at a pound a pop. That will be the UK border.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,665
I suspect that Grayling was being crafty and telling the truth in the belief that the forecast hold ups will be over in Calais.
That is assuming the French let us continue with the present agreement which I doubt when they see the congestion at their port area and surrounding roads.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,682
Currently it is estimated that there is an average of 10,000 commercial goods vehicle movements through Dover per day of which 95%+ are internal to the EU.
Customs etc spend on average 2 minutes per internal EU vehicle movement, however customs checks etc on those either inbound from or outbound to territories outside the EU take 45 minutes.
It is simple maths to work out that it will require either
a) more staff and reconfiguration of the docks to accommodate these longer dwell times or
b) long queues of trucks at the docks
(this could also adversely impact Calais - or the French could just shift it all to us...)
The alternative is to provide some form of electronic advanced freight clearance process where export is deemed to have occurred once the vehicle is sealed and passes the "factory gate" on its journey to the customer.
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