Reginald Barrington
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- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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I thought it was only the LEP office forwarders who brought disrepute to the profession.
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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
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Tsk tsk, you may think that, I couldn't possibly comment! I'm sure that the LEP personnel were perfect lambs; well, some sort of livestock anyway.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
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There was certainly some form of slaughter going on in the basement of the office's, though it was more often used for beer storage (allegedly)
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Brian Dixon
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- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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How's the rejoin party doing in the polls currently?
To the best of my knowledge, Reggie, no such thing exists. What recent polls do tell us though is that more people are beginning to realise that it ain't what it was cracked up to be.
As for the LEP mob, well, they were often
lively company on a Friday night in the York House. No names, no pack drill but I know that some readers will share my memories. Happy days.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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GVMS: yup, loadsa yummy reference numbers to bandy about -
https://bifa.org/news/articles/2022/jan/gvms-reminder-tips-to-avoid-delays. BIFA (my accusatory friends of long ago) is another organisation not exactly shy in reporting problems but which hasn't done so as yet.
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Even the Daily Borisgraph is beginning to catch on. There's hope even for businessmen like you, Reggie.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/01/04/time-running-prove-brexit-not-historic-failure/Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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The full text appears here, I think:
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/business-and-sports/20220105/281642488515765.
It ends: "This is the year when reality should finally match all the hype, otherwise even the most staunch Brexiteers may be forced to consider whether they will ever get what they wanted." That, for me, is the tricky bit. Given that I was never sure what it was that was wanted (what Brexit was supposed to look like, in other words), I can't tell when the appropriate watershed moment is for deciding whether Brexit hit or missed its target.
In fact, I wonder why the article was written in the first place - is 2022 really the defining moment, or is this just a piece of anti-Boris rhetoric? Either way, it shows that 3-word slogans like 'Get Brexit Done' are pretty meaningless, even if popular.
Oh, and my vote goes for "an historic", not "a historic".
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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Surely the key word in the statement is “retained”. Not news worthy enough.
Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Paul Watkins wrote:Surely the key word in the statement is “retained”. Not news worthy enough.
Did you read the article? The point was that after the initial surge in business towards Amsterdam, the LSE regained the top spot in June. However, that has now levelled out and it appears that the number EU trading house has gone back to our Dutch friends. In other words, it wasn't merely a temporary phenomonen.
Not newsworthy? Well, it means a considerably diminished revenue stream for the UK. If it had been said in 2016 that the LSE would lose out on euro denominated trading to the Dutch by 2021, I imagine you might have been shouting 'project fear' rather loudly.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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After the last couple of years of Covid, the impending cost of living crisis and a background of Tory corruption, voters are going to want to see more than crown stamps on pint classes (or whatever it was that JRM was banging on about last week).
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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You are right Neil, they are going to want to see a party that is worth voting for and at the moment there isn't one, so they'll either stick with what we've got, vote reform (or such) or not bother, your misguided belief that it will drop in Labour's lap is laughable and quite depressing.
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:You are right Neil, they are going to want to see a party that is worth voting for and at the moment there isn't one, so they'll either stick with what we've got, vote reform (or such) or not bother, your misguided belief that it will drop in Labour's lap is laughable and quite depressing.
I've not seen any indication of 'belief that it will drop in Labour's lap'. Maybe I missed something?
There's clear evidence now, however, that tactical voting is becoming an increasingly important factor. If North Shropshire - staunchly Conservative for 200 years, rabidly pro-Brexit - can swing to the Lib Dems, then I don't know what else might convince you.
What's truly laughable is that some people are unable to understand what the ramifications of this might be.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Reginald Barrington wrote:You are right Neil, they are going to want to see a party that is worth voting for and at the moment there isn't one, so they'll either stick with what we've got, vote reform (or such) or not bother, your misguided belief that it will drop in Labour's lap is laughable and quite depressing.
As Ray points out, that's not the point I am making. Labour has it's own narrative to form. My point was more that it will lead to an internal battle within the Tory party - as leave voters are going to expect to see something meaningful pretty quickly. The big difference now is that Brexit is the status quo - it has to deliver something.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
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Labour at the moment are quite happy to continue the blame game rather than provide any possible solutions to anything.
Surely the big trouble at the moment is that most of us have no idea whether the real problems are because of Brexit or Covid, be that supply or cost related.
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The first rule of Brexit is that you don't talk about Brexit benefits.
Today Micheal Gove got stuck in a lift at BBC News studios in a hilarious ‘levelling-up’ metaphor.
He also seems to have got himself in a sticky situation over the VAT on energy bills debate.
Labour has accused the Government of backpedalling over promises to cut VAT on energy bills amid rising costs.
Communities secretary Gove pledged to “look at a range of options” in order to help those struggling.
But he avoided questions on whether the Government would consider cutting VAT in order to help billpayers, despite saying during the Brexit referendum that leaving the EU would allow the country to do so.
Writing in The Sun in 2016, Mr Gove and the Prime Minister promised fuel bills would “be lower for everyone”.
They wrote: “In 1993, VAT on household energy bills was imposed. This makes gas and electricity much more expensive… when we Vote Leave, we will be able to scrap this unfair and damaging tax.”
He also appeared on Sky News in 2016 telling presenter Eamonn Holmes “If we vote to leave the European Union we can cut VAT on domestic fuel to zero… & that would help the poorest families most of all”
Fast forward to this morning and how is it going? Well, Kay Burley asked him whether we should be cutting VAT on energy bills.
Gove responded to the presenter telling her that ‘the more we can cut taxes the better, but at this point we need to take a balanced approach.. & we need to provide support to those with the least income…’
Brexit
So not quite what he promised for Brexit Britain?
Meanwhile, over in the EU, the European Commission said member countries can reduce Vat and energy taxes, issue fuel vouchers, defer utility bills and ban grid disconnections to help families get through the winter months.
In Spain for example VAT on energy bills will remain at 10 per cent, down from 21 per cent, while a special tax on electricity will remain at 0.5 per cent until April 30.
Energy Minister Teresa Ribera: “It’s fundamental to maintain the reductions and suspensions of some taxes that are reflected in our electricity bills.”
EU Energy Commissioner Kadri Simson said: “Rising global energy prices are a serious concern for the EU. As we emerge from the pandemic and begin our economic recovery, it is important to protect vulnerable consumers and support European companies.”
And still people don't think they were conned.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Still a bit wafty on terminology; however, I thought I'd post the link (don't get hung up on the title) because of the article's claim that "There were also reports on social media of even longer queues, of up to 18 miles in Calais" which, if true, could be down to Brexit rather than vessel refits:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60111856.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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meridian tonight had tap as lead story tonight
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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