howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jacob and Nigel getting along like a house on fire.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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To borrow Galloway's notorious phrase - "two cheeks of the same arse".
# 2976 - No need to suggest it, Jan, that's already the case. Democracy must always be about having the ability to change things when they prove to be a cock-up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Families will be advised not to book holidays after next March, according to contingency plans being drawn up to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.
The proposed guidance, which will shock the travel industry, was expected to be discussed at last week’s cancelled cabinet meeting, after civil servants were told to ramp up emergency planning.
Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Senior officials have explored the idea with at least one cabinet minister and discussed the impact that the advice could have on specific tour operators amid fears it might bankrupt them. A leak inquiry was under way in No 10 last night to establish how the proposal became public. One option is for the government to cover losses to holiday companies, according to a source familiar with the talks. Steps are being considered to protect holidaymakers who have yet to book trips, amid fears a no-deal Brexit will see flights grounded and spark chaos at airports and ports.
The European Regions Airline Association, which represents 50 airlines, wrote to the European Commission this month warning that it must act urgently to prevent the grounding of flights. It said a no-deal Brexit could have “disastrous consequences”, affecting routes, aviation safety and border security. The Ryanair boss, Michael O’Leary, said in September that a hard Brexit could lead to flights being grounded and that its likelihood was underestimated. Its rival, easyJet, has registered more than 100 aircraft to a newly created airline based in Vienna and switched pilot licences to German and Austrian permits.
No-deal planning is expected to be top of the agenda when the cabinet meets on Tuesday. A paper circulated to ministers has three options on Brexit: no deal, May’s deal or revoking article 50. A group of ministers including Sajid Javid, Jeremy Hunt, Stephen Barclay, Gavin Williamson and Penny Mordaunt plan to use the meeting to push for no deal to become the “central planning assumption”. Hunt said he was positive about a no deal and that he “would like to have a crack” at being prime minister. “I’ve always thought that even in a no-deal situation this is a great country. We’ll find a way to flourish and prosper,” he told The Sunday Telegraph. Philip Hammond, the chancellor, and Amber Rudd, the work and pensions secretary, are said to be “philosophically opposed” to spending money on an outcome no one wants. ir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said: “It beggars belief any minister could have considered these proposals and honestly thought a no-deal Brexit is a credible way forward.” Downing Street said: “We do not comment on leaks.”
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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to scaremonger or not to scaremonger, that is the question.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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a price has been partly settled, 7euros [£6.39p] is banterd about for every trip to euro land.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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€7 for 3 yrs of travel, not every trip!
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#2983
Why doesn’t the travel industry just offer alternative holidays to the non European destinations that can be accessed by air travel. This would focus the EU minds on being less obstructive and if sterling is still floundering because of Brexit, could provide lower priced holidays in countries keen to attract the tourist trade.
#2982. Nothing has
proved to be a cock up yet Ray...........just a difficulty in formulating a reasonable Brexit!
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Reginald Barrington wrote:€7 for 3 yrs of travel, not every trip!
This is the ETIAS system. We (not being members of EU) will merely be treated like the rest of the world (as one would expect?)
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Did you mean to start a new thread Howard. Spot the difference or was your lunchtime beverage kicking in?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no bob its a spot the difference game, you have find 10 differences to win 7 euros.lol
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Brian Dixon wrote:howard, keuth a second referendum is needed for the people to take control of government failures. if result dictaits revoking article 50 would be an option.
If there were to be another referendum Brian and the vote was still to leave the E.U. what should we do then? Have another vote or .....................
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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If there were a second referendum I doubt the turnout would be anywhere near last time, most people are bored stiff with it and want action on things like crime, housing, schools, the NHS and things that affect their daily lives.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The only 2 alternatives are to crash out without a deal or go with the Maybot solution. Does anyone really think that either is likely?
The parrot squawk argument about the door being open to another vote, then another vote is a sham. If the question posed is the right one and the conditions of the referendum make it clear no further gauge of public opinion will be permitted, then there is no reason why there cannot be a solution.
For what it's worth, I'd suggest 3 choices with weighting given to voters' preferences. 1. To accept the current solution outlined in the proposed withdrawal act (dangerous because the future in terms of our trading relationship with the EU is only defined in vague, aspirational terms). 2. To leave on a pre-determined date (March 29th would no longer be realistic so a postponement of Article 50 would be necessary) regardless of whether any deal was in place (dangerous because of its potential adverse effects). 3. To remain within the EU under our current conditions (cue the howls from the Brexiteers should this win the day).
Would it work? What would be the outcome? I don't know but it seems to me a more positive solution than the other ideas going around.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Three options is were your suggestion collapses Ray, you have already made it clear brexiteers were too stupid to pick the right one out of two, now you expect us to do it out of three, we would have no hope.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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reg, there is allways bob hope we all know what happened to him.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:reg, there is allways bob hope we all know what happened to him.
Golf?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Three options is were your suggestion collapses Ray, you have already made it clear brexiteers were too stupid to pick the right one out of two, now you expect us to do it out of three, we would have no hope.
Satire is alive and well here in the garden of England.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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no reg, he's brown bread.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I lean very slightly towards Ray's viewpoint #2994 as we seem to be heading towards stalemate at the moment. Knowing how crafty politicians can be But and it is a big but, I think the questions would have to be very carefully worded.
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