howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you're blaming the messenger philip, the paper is simply quoting a poll showing that possible blue voters see man made climate change as a major issue.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I don't just blame the messenger, Howard, I'd shoo......no perhaps not all sorts of people have found themselves in trouble by using what used to be considered harmless, old fashioned turns of phrase in order to make their point. So let's just say that I violen..... no that's no good either. I disagree with the Independent's agenda.
There are many thousands of surveys carried out every year by polling organisations most of which are recorded for posterity by in house magazines or find themselves on the inside pages of national newspapers.
The Indy, however, as is their way have decided to put this results of this ludicrous poll on their front page, no less.
Most people know not nor care of the ins and outs of the climate science debate and therefore take as gospel what the media puts out in terms of what the state of play really is.
So commissioning a poll asking the public if they believe that alternative energy is a good thing and whether or not the UK should continue to invest in it is like asking them if sticking mice on skewers and selling them in Iceland and Tesco is a good idea.
The public have been so brainwashed by papers like the Independent, the BBC, the Guardian and even by supermarkets who urge us all to buy a green shopping bag to save the planet what else are they to think?
It was one of Hitler's chief propagandists, Joseph Goebbels, who once said words to the effect of "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".
The Independent are doing a cracking job at it don't you think?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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have to disagree philip the right wing tabloids i.e. sun, mail, express have a lot more clout than the broadsheets.
we keep hearing about bbc left wing bias but most people don't watch their news reviews or politics shows, those that do are well equipped to see through any bias.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
- Posts: 3,370
Therese only one billion dollars a year, worldwide going into fusion
Crack this one and we will have cheep energy for ever .
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
the answer my friend is blowing in the wind.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Ah ha!
So desperate are the climate change cranks that they resort to this. The lowest of the low. How very dare they?
I wonder how long it took to cook this one up, eh? Knocked up in the tea break between meetings with greenpeace and wwf no doubt.
What makes me laugh is that our Charlie is expected to work with cranky loons like this bloke. I feel for him I really do:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9723542/Wind-farms-in-Africa-will-save-British-lives-says-Minister.html
Follow Barker's logic, if you can. It puts me in mind of someone who has taken mind altering drugs and lets their mind wander and feel they've discovered some great insight while everybody else has left the room. Sadly it's not that simple. There are many who actually believe these idiot's rantings.
Oh and for all those complaining about the autumn statement I'd suggest they check out why our economy has ground to a halt. One major reason is the climate change act which has been embraced by Cameron.
The words economic and suicide spring to mind.
For those who believe wind is the answer check out how much wind is being produced at the moment:
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i almost feel sorry for dave on this one, whichever way he turns some in the party will slate him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/antigreen-talk-will-cost-seats-pm-warned-8395964.htmlBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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would that be welsh slate howard.[it hurts more than the others].
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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That's the trouble with the liberals, in fact many of those of an environmentalist persuasion - they have no clue about the subject. They are spoon-fed propaganda and suck it up without thinking about it. Ironically they think that they are the enlightened ones, the progressives, the forward thinkers unable to grasp the fact that there is none so foolish than those with only a little knowledge.
Thus it has always been this way.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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There must be a way to extract usable energy from the ambient air by cooling it, thereby releasing heat. I have put quite detailed propositions to various scientists but I'm told that everything I propose violates the second law of thermodynamics. I think that's bollocks but hey, I'm not a scientist.
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Button
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According to today's Telegraph, some wind turbines will be switched off owing to Storm Eowyn's winds generating so much energy that the Grid would be overwhelmed. If we're going to have to get used to strong winds becoming more common, and if we're in favour of electricity from wind power, then it seems to me that we ought to be investing in storing the stuff - pump water up a hill, heat something put it into great big lemons or what-have-you.
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Reginald Barrington
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You're forgetting they put the wrong Miliband in charge again!
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Captain Haddock
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Guest 698 wrote:There must be a way to extract usable energy from the ambient air by cooling it, thereby releasing heat. I have put quite detailed propositions to various scientists but I'm told that everything I propose violates the second law of thermodynamics. I think that's bollocks but hey, I'm not a scientist.
Yup. It's called an air sourced heat pump. Works on a reversed Carno cycle.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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This country is surrounded by sea why are we not making use of the wave power instead of these turbines that get turned off when there are strong winds.
With our personal and business system being forced into electric vehicles I wonder how we will ever generate enough to get the on the pothole unfilled roads.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Jan Higgins wrote:This country is surrounded by sea why are we not making use of the wave power instead of these turbines that get turned off when there are strong winds.
La Rance - in France - 2nd largest tidal power statation in world - output c.240 MW
UK power electrical peak demand roughly 50 GW = 50,000 Mw
Unfortunately The net capacity factor is the ratio of actual electrical energy output over a given period of time to the theoretical maximum electrical energy output over that period which for the tidal plant is 28%.
50,000 / 25% of 240 = 50,000/60 = c.1000 La Rances
Doh.
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Keith Sansum1
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We have to do something about future energy
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Reform are taking stupidly to a new level.
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