Why Defend Ourselves? (At huge expence)

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• Brian Dixon

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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  19 October 2010     13:2475583
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  barryw,if there is no aircraft on the carrier or no ground troops to do clear up ops then we would be less than capable of doing the job in hand.
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     13:3575587
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  BarryW is spot on - and not only do terrorists not work in a vacuum neither do governments, and there has to be a high degree of networking between countries to ensure a safer world. That includes opportunities to share and manage each others hardware.
• Bob Frost

  • Location: Deal
  19 October 2010     16:3175618
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  'Si vis pacem, para bellum' as the Royal Navy's motto says.
• Brian Dixon

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 23 Sep 2008
  • Posts: 23,940
  19 October 2010     16:3375619
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  there is a vacum now 8% cut backs by 2014.
  the losses are as follows,stats from sky news,
  7000 troops plus a reduction by 40% in heavy artilary and tanks.
  5000 air force personal.
  5000 royal navey personal.
  plus 25000 backroom staff.
  the list gos on.a total saving of 3.5 billion.
  god help us if there is a full scale war.it would be hard to remuster the numbers.
  sky.com
• Guest 655

  • Registered: 13 Mar 2008
  • Posts: 10,247
  19 October 2010     18:1175636
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  Brian - you have just been saying that we should fully disarm....
  
  Now you have changed your mind, complaining about the cuts caused by Labour's incompetence....
  
  My blog that I will upload later will be commenting further on defence issues.
• Bob Frost

  • Location: Deal
  19 October 2010     18:2275640
  #26       report
  Brian, with regards to defence, it looks like you are trying to sit on it!
• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
  • Posts: 62,352
  19 October 2010     18:3375644
  #27       report
  cannot wait to see barry's take on the defence cuts, sorry i meant review.
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     18:5775648
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  Bob has it in a sentence: peace is only preserved by preparing for war.
• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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  19 October 2010     19:0175651
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  bern
  
  that was the defence used by steven gerard when he stood trial for g.b.h. last year.
  
  mind you he got off with it.
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     19:0375652
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  And he is an eejit, of course.
• Brian Dixon

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 23 Sep 2008
  • Posts: 23,940
  19 October 2010     19:3075659
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  barryw,i didnt say COMPLEATLY disarm or any other version you care to chuck my way.as we stand by 2015 we wouldnt be able to do an afgan/iraq again.so terrarists 1 brit goverment 0.
  
  bob,dont you mean sit on de fence.
• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
  • Posts: 62,352
  19 October 2010     19:4375666
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  you may be missing the point brian, we could always send empty aircraft carriers to sort out the problem.
• Guest 690

  • Registered: 10 Oct 2009
  • Posts: 4,150
  19 October 2010     21:0475679
  #33       report
  Whatever happen`s, just remember and don`t forget Chamberlain, "Peace in our time". Lets not see history repeating itself.
  Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     21:1075680
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  Exactly.
• Jimmy Long

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     21:2075681
  #35       report
  Paul B,
  I can understand the governments caution when it comes to the navy.
  I think it makes sound tactical sense to give the navy 2 brand new aircraft carriers and no planes.
  One only has to recall the navies pathetic responce to the Iranians who stole one of the sailors ipod. I mean if the sailors are going to come on telly crying about that, just imagine what would happen if some unfriendly fuzzy took a pop at one of the navies planes. At least by not giving the navy planes we remove the moral dilemma there commanders would be faced with I.E. Whether to cut and run or surrender.
• Bob Frost

  • Location: Deal
  19 October 2010     21:2775683
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  As Theodore Roosevelt said "Speak softly and carry a big stick".
  
  

  
• Bern

  • Location: Dover
  19 October 2010     21:4875685
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  Like the signiture - snook does good stuff.
• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
  • Posts: 62,352
  19 October 2010     21:5175686
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  very succinct bob, very similar to the c.i.a. cove that once said to president kennedy, "when you have them by the b*lls the hearts and minds soon follow.
• Bob Frost

  • Location: Deal
  19 October 2010     21:5775688
  #39       report
  Howard,
  
  On the subject of apposite quotes, I can't watch Nick Clegg (who is apparently Deputy Prime Minister!) without thinking of what Lynden B. Johnson said of J. Edgar Hoover 'It's better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in.'
• howard mcsweeney1

  • Location: Dover
  • Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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  19 October 2010     22:0275689
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  bob
  
  i also remember when jfk became president and called hoover in to tell him that he was in charge.
  
  mr vacuum cleaner just showed him a set of photographs and said "i dont think so".

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