Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Deal has a wednesday market, saturday market and monthly farmers market which are all very succesfull. Even if the DTIZ is built I really can't see how it can be sustainable. Perhaps the M&S food will attract port traffic but that is not going to create a vibrant high street.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Simon, it does need a Market Manager, answerable to the Town Team of course, but the streadfast rejection of a M.M. will mean that Dover will never have a successful market. I am not after the job at all and probably the person you should have employed, would not now want the job.
I don't know who you have as a market co-ordinator, but it will need more than a co-ordinator to attract many more stalls here - and keep them.
As you know Simon, I wrote a paper on how to have a successful street market here, but it was rejected out of hand, because you and the T.T. know better; time has shown that you don't.
Roger
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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Clearly Cineworld, M&S, and Frankie & Benny's disagree with you, Jack. These big retail and leisure operators don't make this kind of investment without assessing the market potential.
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Kevin as far as I am aware Cineworld, M&S, and Frankie & Benny's have made no investment into DTIZ at all and have not budgeted for any future investment at this present time. They do have an agreement with an option to take up a lease on the DTIZ at some period in the future. I would suggest this is standard corporate speculative options rather than an assessed market potential.
Jack of Hearts
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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We'll have to wait and see then, Jack. But having some experience in working for a major retailer myself, they don't go public with announcements such as this without strong foundation. In the meantime, I think you will find that the vast majority of people are talking up the prospects.
Guest 767- Registered: 30 Aug 2012
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Why do folk keeptalking about Cine World, Frankie and Bennie, whoever they are, and the DTIZ? It seems to me that all of this only exist on paper, while the market, failing or not, exists now. We need to live in the here and now and not in some imaginary Dover of the far distant future, Folkestone rd is a problem now, failing shops and pubs closeing is happening now. Why do our coucillors seem to ignore the Doverof the present and are only concerned with an imaginary town that will, so they say, happen years in the future?We need to deal with the problems faceing the town today, and not hide behind the myth of some wonderful Dover that has been promised to us since VE Day in 1945. Do these people really believe that we can regenerate (Ihate that word!) the town with nothing more then promises from a fast food outlet? We can't even get rid of Burlington House or rebuild on the old crypt site!
Guest 1266- Registered: 8 May 2014
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Absolutely spot on Phil
Jack of Hearts
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I am working on Folkestone Road Phil and have been for years - and so are DDC personnel. I contacted DDC while on holiday recently about a photo (on Doverforum) of rubbish in Folkestone Road and they have already cleared it and going through it to see if there is an address, then they will contacted those concerned.
The main problem with the rubbish along Folkestone Road is that the tenants who put it there, get told about what they can and can't do - and in their own language, but they move on after a few months to somewhere else in Britain and they (DDC) have to start all over again. Landlords and tenants, they're both a problem.
We also have to work towards a brighter future for Dover - and that is coming.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The needles stuck Roger, put another record on.
We saw DDC in action at the petition meeting, the whole thing was stitched up and arranged before the meeting went ahead. You've been saying for years on here and elsewhere that a brighter future is coming, well you and your inept cronies will see what sort of future you have next May, you'll have all the time in the world to write papers that people ignore.
Phil and Jack are spot on, until or unless we see (as opposed to hear about) action, the good people of Dover will treat DDC with the contempt they deserve.
An honourable exception to that is Kevin Charles, a decent, honest and hardworking Dovorian, the acceptable face of DDC. Being in PR at DDC is like being paid to put lipstick on a pig.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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david,i can not understand why you are having a go at roger,he is 1 person amongst many at ddc.it [ditz] is a major undertaking full of legal hurdles,evan I can understand that so why cant you.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I think it is your record that has stuck David.
All your comments about DDC and the Councillors, is all politically motivated and until you wake up, listen and open your eyes and realise that you don't know everything and won't accept anyone elses ideas unless they are your own, Dover and the Market will not move forward.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I am nothing to do with the market, (as you well know) when I was it was a great success.
You are the very heart of a failed and failing district council, yet you choose to deflect your inadequacies by criticising volunteers from behind a keyboard.
Of course my motives are politically driven, well they have been for 4 months, I intend to rid the town of you and your useless colleagues. Until that happens all we'll hear is your pathetic bleating, excuses and finger pointing.
As for listening, I think the recent election sent a loud and clear message, your days are numbered, your legacy will be the failure to complete DTIZ and a filthy Folkestone Road.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Brian, yes he's one of many that are equally inept, the Leader used to come on here but he's realised the game is up too
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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david,instead of knocking ddc with negative comments.why not help with positive ones and volentere where and when needed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Two things David.
A) You are no stranger to attacking volunteers behind a keyboard.
B) Why would Roger have known you were not involved with the market anymore, I didn't know?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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A. When I have attacked volunteers?
B. Of course he knows.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Answer to A)
Your view on the forum.
But what a cesspit that place has become, full to the brim of triballists, egotists and semi literate, ill informed fools. There are 1 or 2 that are quite humourous and intelligent but in the main if it truly reflects the populus of Dover we're in big trouble.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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No mention of volunteers then?
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Roger, your suggestions were not rejected out of hand. TT had no funding to implement some and others were considered, but after looking at what had been tried, and had failed, in the past, the TT decided not to spend limited funds on a repeat of past failures and so not many of your suggestions were taken forward in the end. It is unfair and untrue to suggest that things were rejected out of hand.
A Market Co-ordinator is what TT has funding for and therefore that is what TT has taken on.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Neil.
The funding for a market manager would have come out of the money from the stall-holders and paid on a commission basis so the more stalls the MM gets, the more he gets paid.
There is currently no incentive for anyone to go out and bring more stalls to Dover, so it will never grow to the number where we could draw people in from neighbouring towns and villages and advertise it in the KOS, Mercury and Express papers.
There is absolutely so much more that could be done to bring more market traders to Dover.
Roger