Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Commercial money will come if the correct environment is there. Hopefully the new project will get fast-track green lights from Planning and Conservation officers, otherwise it will be another false dawn. And God forbid that the archaeologists should be allowed to crawl all over the site for months on end.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think Peter ir right, private investors need to be attracted by a pro active council that is willing and interested in developing and pushing the town forward.
I promise not to mention the Crypt...blast I did but think I got away with it...
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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"God forbid that the archaeologists should be allowed to crawl all over the site fior months on end"
Another issue that I am sure potential investors will also know about, look at the the work required at Whitefriars. Very important work though....
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Very important work indeed, and they have had how many years to do it?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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They need someone to pay for it......
"Between November 1999 and December 2003, the largest series of excavations ever undertaken in Canterbury were carried out by the Canterbury Archaeological Trust with £3 million funding from the developer, Land Securities. Archaeologists were involved in a rolling programme of work revolving around the demolition and construction activities and known collectively as THE BIG DIG. This immense project saw an almost continuous series of minor investigations, evaluations and watching briefs, as well as three major open-area excavations."
http://www.whitefriars-canterbury.co.uk/about-whitefriars/?PageID=11Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i remember them turning up in a blaze of publicity about 4 years ago, stayed a day or two and went.
they cannot be allowed to hold up any further development, in about 50 to a hundred years time the proposed development will have reached a stage where it has to be pulled down, let them have another go then.
what is there now will still be there.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The archaeologists did what was needed at the time and the result was there was a hugh amount of archaeology only a very short way down.
There is a lot that can be done whilst enabling works carry on so I can't see it holding things up that much.
Good to hear that the hotel is going to be a separate application so that it can hopefully be built then Burlington House can come down !!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i heard that about the hotel, but i thought that there were a lot more complications about burlington house.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The new hotel charges a lot less to place the phone masts than the owner of Burlington House charges..... they move to the new building.... he has no income and has to sell....
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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didn't think of that, will wait until i see it pulled down though before celebrating.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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The potential for another Bronze Age find is too good to miss but what a shame it couldn't be carried out while all the waiting is going on.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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if i remember rightly they done a quicky behind damages the derelict building in castle street in the last 5 years or so.
In the roughly 30 years we have been waiting for the St James's Development to .........well...........Develop
This could have been a World Heritage site..........which what lies beneath.....
Any other country would have jumped on such an opportunity....
Keith Sansum1
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paul scotchie
i understand where your coming from
but like has been said on many other threads we have a CANT DO attitude before we evenb get to the drawing board!!!
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I have thought quite seriously about what I would do to improve Dover.
1) Clear the rubbish, hopefully there will be less when we get the new bins. Either more street cleaners or actually fine the litter droppers which would be self financing.
2) Bring in a by-law and enforce it to make landlords of shops and houses tidy up their properties, they make the town look so uncared for.
3) Stop relying on history to attract tourists by providing an alternative, but NOT stick it on the seafront. There is little for family members or children who have no interest in our wonderful historical sites. The proposed cable car (if it ever gets built) could be closed quite a bit because of the wind and would not 'to be a repeated' attraction.
4) Employ an efficient and energetic tourism promoter, so many catching the ferries seem to have the impression Dover has nothing to offer but the ferry.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Good ideas Jan,
1) Some way of enforcing fines is definitely needed for rubbish-droppers, even for those who regularly throw down their cigarette ends
2) There was a new Act brought in a few years ago, Dereliction Act, which gives power to councils to enforce clean-up and tidy-up of derelict and neglected sites WHICH ARE AFFECTING THE AREA.
But it all comes down to money again....
3) Not sure that there is nothing for children, I know of some who are very interested in the castle, etc. but no doubt family attractions need developing in a good way.
As Jan says, there is more to Dover than just the ferry, needs someone who has had success in other places to develop the interest in Dover..
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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what i would like to see here in dover.
1,clean up the hanging gardens of dover,and then be regulurly maintained.
2,clean up the town center?,from the underpass to hollis moters,walls washed and painted where needed.
3,make walkways walkable and puddle free..
4,make pedestrian precints pedestrian.
alterantivly catch a ferry to somwhere descibed as above.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a sensible post from brian there, cannot believe i have said that.
everything there is achievable at minimum cost and no need for private money from outside.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's the main point of most of Dover's ills Howard - they wouldn't cost the Earth.
I appreciate it's like an echo and it has all been said before, but all those ideas above, were already on my list of things to do, before I was dismissed by the Chamber of Commerce.
There is a rule that allows Councils/LPAs to force owners of dilapidated buildings to put them right - it's called Section 215 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990.
I had written and discussed, probably about two years ago with senior planners at DDC, the need to invoke this on a short list of buildings in central Dover; I made that short list and presented it to the Council officers, but because they have to have enough money to see the whole process through and they don't have that money, they wouldn't even start it.
There is evidence to show that 90% of those owners who are written to, sort out their building(s) on that first letter, but there was still great resistence and refusal to start.
I had written to the owners of the Best Kebab Shop when I was the Business Support Manager, but was dismissed before I got a reply.
I believe the three on my short list were the Best Kebab on the corner of Market Square and Cannon Street, Party Planners shop just up from there and the old Labour Exchange at 10 King Street.
There were many others of course that need work carrying out on them - new windows, redecorating etc. but I felt those were in greatest need.
Nothing has changed.
If the three main (but not the only) stakeholders put £10,000 in each, it would pay the salary and related costs and still have money left over to allow many things to be done.
Membership would follow after a while and that money would go towards even greater improvements and eventually reduce the finacial cost to those stakeholders - unless they were happy to budget for it each year then better and better things would be done.
Is anyone listening ? No, is the answer.
Roger
Been nice knowing you :)