Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Please we need to see lots of the public there on Thursday at 1600hrs at the Exhibition,and again at the public meeting in the town hall at 1800hrs have your say please,I will be there with my team and my old press cutouts I always keep.in their own words not mine "Don,t miss this chance to raise the issues important to you, and you can take it from me i will be one of the first to do just that. At the end it says We look forward to welcoming you,it is a wait and see on that one.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - you seem to be inferring that the public should go to Terminal 2 at 4pm, then the Town Hall at 6pm.
It's all at the Town Hall; the presentation starts at 4pm, then the open discussion starts at 6pm.
Roger
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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We saw the presentation last week at Full Council
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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In the paper Roger And I am looking at it now wording is,
Prior to the public meeting come and vist the ferry Terminal 2 exhibition which outlines the scheme now formally submitted,.So I must be reading that wrong .I was reading it thinking it was at the Terminal. Thank you so much for pointing it out to me, I and my team would have been there on our own.
I will buy you a cup of tea there for pointing that out to me..
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Vic being on your own with your team........sounds like election day
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Now John that was a real great one thank you so much for saying it
My poor old leg is telling me to call it aday .
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Goodnight !
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Just to say again Town hall today 16oohrs Thank you.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It was a very full meeting most of us had our say on what should or should not happen to our port,if you was there please say how you think it went? Vic Matcham
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I didn't go because Jean wasn't well and I've alrdeady seen two DHB presentations.
I will be interested to hear others views though.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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in a nut shell whitewash.the board has allready made up its mind to priveatise the port and are now going through due prosses.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They may well have decided it is something they feel they have to do Brian in order to be able to complete the necessary expansion of the Port and Marina.
Doing nothing is not an option - for the Harbour Board or Dover; making sure there are safeguards for the Port workers and Dover Town, is essential, that is why this is all going ahead.
By doing this voluntarily, it can be controlled and DDC are playing a vital riole in this. Just because you don't know the intracies of DDC's involvement, doesn't mean they are just sitting back and letting it happen; there's a lot of back-room work being done, I can assure you.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,is that why they are outsorceing the workforce [dumping]to private firms,this is a cost cutting exercise no bones about it.in short cut expenidture make the board look more effishant so who ever buys in will have a bigger profit margins at dovers expence.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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As far as I am aware Brian, there is no new outsourcing scheduled for the port operations; I've not seen or heard of any, in any of the presentations I've attended.
As has been discussed on here previously, outsourcing is a normal activity for many businesses.
Guarantees are being written into this Brian, guarantees for the workforce, job security, working practices and pensions too.
Being able to keep the lorries from choking up Aycliffe, Snargate and Townwall Streets must be good - mustn't it ?
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As we all know Roger guarantees of the kind you have put on the above post are not worth the paper they are wrote on.
It will be up to the new owner if they find one.he or they will pull the srings and the owners could be from overseas if so they will have their own workers with lower wages.All that was on Thursday was a P.R. event.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,i agree with your last sentance.but with the last round of talks,the mooring party and two other units of harbour board ownedwhere outsoursed,remember the strike not so long ago,howmuch more will dhb dump so to speak before it all goes private.wheather the ddc has any substantal say in the matter is open to debate.dover does need to stand up for its self by making it self heard and understanding that the dhb has to consult and go with the wishes of the majority.
Yes Vic the meeting was well attended.
The open forum concentrated on the privatisation issue and lost sight that the exhibition and meeting was also for the Terminal 2 Harbour Revisions Order which is at consultation with a deadline date of comments to the Secretary of State by the 26th March.
I believe the privatisation issue will continue for some time and as DHB indicated no decission until sometime next year. As an Executive Member of The Dover Society you will have seen in this weeks "Express" that we are consulting our entire membership (430) with regard to the response we propose to send in respect to both the T2 and Privatisation issue.
As far as T2, I was able to get a question in at the meeting (in fact the last one at about 1955hrs) and with such a major development the road infrastructure must be part of the overall agreement for T2. This is clealy in the hands of Lord Adonis as Sec of State (Transport) and he has the power to ensure the blight on the town (Townwall Street) is removed by having T2 traffic use the M20/A20 and T1 (Eastern Docks) the M2/A2. Also NO lorries between T2 and T1.
I calculate that when both T2 and T1 are fully operational some 35% volume will be T2 and 65% T1 so it is essential from the outset that the road infrastructure is put into place and must be conditional to the T2 project otherwise there will still be heavy volumes of traffic (lorries) using Townwall Street.
I also raised the question that Shakespear Beach/ Admiralty Pier needs enhancing to cover loss of beach and Prince of Wales Pier. It must be remembered that before the road improvements for the access from A20 to Eastern Docks the beach went all along the seafront.
I, like most people of Dover, would like to see the port remain a Trust Port but with a revision to its current restriction to financially contribute to the town of Dover (Yes the town not the District) and an amendment of the Act could, I am informed, have been made at any time if our MP had sought a bill to do so.. it may have taken a few years to achieve.
Privatisation may (and possibly will) occur as the Government seeks to reduce the uncontrolled debt burden this country has. As such as many parties must put forward constuctive comments that will give the town a share of investment and protect the employees pesions etc. There must be sound investment conditions applied. I have seen when in the ferry industry assets stripped and this is what must be protected for the future of Dover.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Sherratt. You put up some very good Questions and the part about the A2 to East/Docks and A20 to the West/Docks we are all in agreement with that, but as pointed out the M2 needs to come right into the east/docks before that could work.
I have to go out now but thank you for your post and turning up on Thursday,but still thank that most of the public in Dover wish for the port not to be sold off. Vic Matcham
Yes Vic the A2/M2 needs upgrading but this is what the Dept of Transport should be doing with the forecast volumes of traffic passing through Dover let alone the above EU max level of emmisions.
We have the Whitfield consultation at present but no road infrastructue shown.....This is where "planning" can achieve a dualed road bypassing Whitfield.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Sherratt I am just off to that consultation now I was also there on Friday