Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Barry, I see you fight fire-with-fire:blandishment with blandishment.
Nationalised industry is being and has been nursed by fondness and killed by kindness.
UK-Plc Is an honest term for a fundamental betrayal of the 'Nation State'.
As I recall, the terminology, "Plc" was adopted in response to the perceived short-comings of 'Ltd.' and is employed to raise the boardroom up and away from responsibility for it's decisions and actions.
Fundamentally. 'It' is not about money, but about people.
A clear and stark choice along those lines will have to be made. The more it is run away from the more it looms large on the horizon.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Tom - what there in what you said is in any way relevant?
PLC, incidentally, was adopted to differentiate between private limited companies and public limited companies, nothing to do with any kind of shortcomings.
As for blandishments.
I am professionally involved in advising small businesses, I am also involved in support for them in my Chamber role and, what is more I have had to 'adapt and survive' myself as a small business. Small businesses as well as large businesses have to evolve and make hard headed decisions to survive. I have been and remain involved in this daily. Blandishments, me!!!! come off it.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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In every way Barry. In every way relevant to the thread's title.
VODOFONE!
I say again...
This is your economic philosophy in action, your answer to our economy's lack of growth and paucity of decent employment.
Lower Taxes!!
Vodofone's tax bill drastically reduced.
Red-Tape reduction!
Vodofone's red-tape problems swept aside by a hand shake.
So...Where is the growth? Where is the increased employment? Where is the problem?
The problems we as a nation face and the possible solutions to these very real and immense problems are at some great remove from the penny-ante. Who enquires of the road-sweeper when seeking answers to oil-tanker spills?
You, Barry have no better claims to knowledge of, or expertise in the matters surrounding the relationship between 'our' government and this (or any other) multi-national company.
Your politically-biased, and party-politically-borrowed rhetoric has it's opportunity here to explain itself.
Any fool can drone on about "hard headed" this and that. The crux of this matter is 'failure'. That the more money you have, and the greater the sums in which you deal. The less likely it is that your failure will be countenanced. The population is there, it seems, to pick up the tab, no matter what.
The time is ripe for the customer to adopt a hard-headed attitude to businesses of all sorts. If this business or that will not do right by it's customers their customers should perhaps think long and hard about switching allegiance.
So let's get down to it.
You have your way. Tax is optional, red-tape likewise. Where is the growth?
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Spot on Tom...........but I can hear the Blandishments be arranged now.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Tom - I see you refer to one company make some half-ar***d statements and try to extrapolate that to the broader economy.
Reg - never anything constructive from you.
Both of you are advocates of what destroys economies, jobs and prosperity. You are the guilty parties along with everyone who advocates big government 'solutions' that fail every time and create a worse and worse mess. It is your dogma that is public enemy no 1.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I see this, Barry, as more of you interpolating from the macro to the micro.
Vodofone are in the very position you wish all businesses to be in;paying less tax and experiencing less red-tape.
These very circumstances will/may/could/would lead to economic growth, you say.
I say the opposite, and have done all along. Letting companies (large or small) off tax and regulation will, as is evidenced here, only lead to more avarice and wealth abstraction.
All problems are Political problems for the simple reason that Politics is the only field upon which the citizen has a role to play. Even the boycotting of companies who shun the common-weal is an overt political act.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Tom - I have said in an earlier post that I do not know about Vodafone's business plan or what they are doing but pointed out some basic facts about business generally. You did your extrapolation. Every business is different, less red tape and less tax does not mean a business does not have to update its business model or make changes. You cannot take one business like that and try to turn it into a comment on economic growth that is absurd, as if suggesting that if you have a dose of flu the whole population is sick
Keith Sansum1
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no one knows realy the facts behinfd vodafone decision, but everyone knows based on the profits does seem a little odd.
on top of this it may a harsh reality to chuck people on the dole but there are costs to this as well.
this can financialy, but also all the other aspects of near 3 million people not working
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Barry - It is all about people.
I do not blame Vodofone, or any other business, for closing down outlets when they fail to attract sufficient custom locally for their goods/services. I accept that a firm has to do what a firm has to do.
As I have said, all the blame, no matter what the fault, must lie with Politicians.
BUT!
It is the philosophy you share,(Small Government, low taxes, zero regulation and the damnation of the workforce), that insists on the return to the employment practices of the nineteenth century. By refusing to exact the tax due from this and other large, successful companies while daemonising the discarded workforce it is plain that the Party you adore (and the Party you do not) share your selfish, elitist frame of mind.
You and your Party insist that all shall be well when the powerful have a free hand and the powerless scrabble about eager to please in order to survive, entirely Dickensian.
How might Vodofone and the others have reacted to business opportunities in the east of Kent if they had to actually work to gain and keep their clientèle without being awash with unclaimed tax cash?
How much more trained and employment ready might the local workforce be had the tax been paid and distributed to the benefit of the population?
Again.
This is your philosophy in action...where is the benefit?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well said tom
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Admiration for your patience Tom........bet your head is sore against that brickwall.......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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even without the financial issues around the closures
it's also about just chucking 3 million on the dole
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