Keith Sansum1
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4 December 2010
08:4883176Vince cable in his local rag has now said he will be voting next thursday in favour of the changes on tutition fees.
You may recall our vince started off by saying under the cobbled together government he had reached agreement with tories and would vote with the government.
A week ago this changed to, if the lib dem party decided not to support this move then even though he was minister he would abstain.
Now today he has decided he will be voting with the cobbled together govt.
his 10,000 majority is looking very very slim now, sure hes not looking forward to a general election.
hes a real maverick for both the lib dems but also the cobbled together govt.
Every time he speaks is another nail in the coffin for the lib dems and thankully this cobbled together govt
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Brian Dixon
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4 December 2010
09:0083178and now he's not,how does the hocky coky now.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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4 December 2010
10:0883181Yes the hokey cokey is back with us again.. all turn around ooooohhhh hokey cokey cokey!!
But you havent heard the latest Keef. He has now changed yet again. Late last night. Its unbelievable but true.
First he said he would abstain. We all heard that didnt we. Then...
He said thru his local paper that he would vote with the government, then late last night shock horror....
He said he would be voting whatever way the Libdems decided as a group.
So if you can keep track of all these political flipflops you are a far more astute man than me(not hard !).
But Gawd the mere mention of the term Libdem winds me up lately and sets me off on a speech. They have made an utter balls of this Tuition Fee thing like never before. Surely this must be some kind of political first in the political annals of time. I completely support the students myelf as this turkey running things is nonsense.
I once thought he was nice ol Uncle Vince, the nations favourite politician. harmless and cuddly..
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 December 2010
10:2783185You should have listened to me PaulB.
The LibDems problem is simply because they never expected to have the responsibility of government.
They always had the easiest job being able to say whatever they like to whatever audience they were speaking to and a lot of gullable people wanting to feel all cuddly and saintly voted for them.
They are now finding out what government is all about and all those who voted for them now realise that elections are about choices, about electing a government. They will not be able to duck the hard choices so easily in future.
Thankfully not all of them are like Cable, some do have some guts about them and are willing to face down the mistakes they made in the past and to take the responsibility for the decisions that have to be made in government.
4 December 2010
10:3783188I feel more protests on the way lets hope the conlibs never need a nurse etc oh i forgot they would go private just the nhs jo public that feel the worst off.
Jan Higgins
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4 December 2010
10:5583190Vince is obviously one of those politicians that follows the way the wind blows.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2010
11:0583193maybe it would be simpler for him if he just tossed a coin?
on second thoughts if it came down tails, he would probably say "best out of 3".
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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4 December 2010
11:1383196our vince will be the one that helps to bring down this cobbled together govt.
the sooner the better
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4 December 2010
11:4283199And replace it with................................?
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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4 December 2010
12:5583201BarryW, I think it's actually simpler than the way you explain it.
Many people voted LibDems, hoping that what they were being told, were the truth and that they(LibDems) would deliver those truths, especially the youth. More lies and more u-turns will fuel the fire and I don't like the way these student protests are escalating but I do understand why they are.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 December 2010
12:5583202pantomime season in full swing,maybe vince cable as widow tw**ky or the rear end of the panto horse.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 December 2010
16:4283227It really is as Barry has said; in opposition they can say what they like, but in Government, it's the harsh reality that needs to be addressed and the harsh reality is that there isn't the money to allow the fees not to rise.
It does seem odd though, that Wales and Scotland can offer free uni places, but we can't in England.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 December 2010
16:5883229roger, strange but true.
4 December 2010
17:3383231Money is available, it is the priorities that are up for debate.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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4 December 2010
18:2983237And the speed Bern,they want to right off the debts as quickly as they can and then just before the next election they will say,we have done so well here is some dosh back,and some people are so shallow they moan about them now but with an extra 2 bob in their pocket will forget what we are about to go through.Just remember my words in 4 years time!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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4 December 2010
18:5783242oh dear roger
if i recall correcly both wales and scotland dont have tory adminisrations
maybe that says a lot
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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4 December 2010
20:5583250All I will say is that whenever my husband and I were in debt we did all we could to pay the debt off as soon as possible, it works out cheaper that way.
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4 December 2010
21:1383254Margaret Thatcher did everyone a disservice by relating the economy to a household budget. It isn't and that won't work. It's an economy, needs a decent Treasury, a proper strategy and there is no change down the back of the sofa.
4 December 2010
21:3683262I am not against the students,but the government has a fair point. As it was Tony Blairs goal to have 50% of school leaving youngsters go to university the fees problem should have been tackled when he made his ambitions clear.
I do not know what the percentage of youngsters attending university is but guess it must be nearing the 50% mark. If it is that high then it does raise the question who should pay??
It is all very well saying the government should pay, but one really has to stop and Analise just what exactly that means??
Do the student have a right to money that has been earmarked for training schemes for the other youngsters who cannot, or do not choose to go to uni.?? should money earmarked for the N.H.S.
be used to pay for them?? There is only a finite amount of money which has to be shared between all the different departments of government. I find myself asking the question, Should students fee come out of national tax?? and then I think if it did then why should that be?? what makes them a special case above all others?? and when I take a cool calm look I really cannot think of a justifiable cause. Okay I suppose the argument is that they cannot afford the debt, but hang on a minute nobody else can afford debt , especially debt to pay for students as most people have a problem paying for the neccessities of life just to stay above water.
It is a well accepted fact that the majority of students make a head long rush to get into uni knowing full well that when the have got there degrees they can become part of the establishment, by association get good jobs far better then the jobs non uni youngsters can hope to achieve. And of course as with every thing else in life there is a price to pay. It is a very simple analogy if you want a degree and a good job then they must be prepared to make some sacrifices and that does not include expecting John Doe in the street to bail them out
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 December 2010
22:3483269a well thought out post jimmy, there is not a cut and dried solution.
i agree that too many youngsters go to university and the country cannot afford it, however a case has to be made for potential students to join high level courses that provide us with highly qualified people.
i said this on another thread but will repeat it, doctors, dentists, pharmacists are normally imported.
would be great to see our brain boxes filling these positions.