Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#1
Having put forward my arguments as suggested in an earlier post, and watched said post sliding down the page, leading me to believe I'm being ignored, I thought I'd do a Daily Mail style take on UKIP, with everything in it easily checked as the posts I am talking about are all on this forum, as is the link to the UKIP website. This is how easy it is to misrepresent the facts, but bear in mind that none of the following are lies. I have chosen UKIP purely because it was Keith Bibby who started the original post in question...here we go.
UKIP TWITTER PAGE SAYS STOP
The UKIP twitter page has a post on it which starts:
'UKIP A ludicrous vanity that must be stopped...'
or how about...
Local UKIP chairman goes back on his word and fails to follow his own advice.
On the 22nd of June, in response to posts on a local forum about whether or not Mr. 'M' was in fact a member of the local branch of UKIP, the local chairman said, 'I will no longer continue this thread'.
The following day, on the same discussion, he said' 'any conflict between ex UKIP members and existing members should be held behind closed doors'
so much for not continuing, then the next day at just before 2 pm, 'you sound very much like ex UKIP member...'
so much for closed doors too, and at just after a quarter past six the same day, '...is no longer a member of UKIP Dover and Deal...'
the following day, just after a quarter past eleven at night,'
...is not a member or treasurer for UKIP Dover and Deal...' and, 'meet the other officers of the branch and see that it does not include...'
Please note, this is not an attack on UKIP or any of its officers, members or supporters, as I hold the party in the same contempt as any other political party, this is just to show how easy it is to put a different version of the 'truth' out there.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Mr Nicoll sounds like I am part of your post just to tell you I was the chairman of local ukip but at that time one of the main members of the committee died and we could not keep the committee going so a vote was taken to close till such times as we could set up again with a full working comittee that did not happen till some mouths ago when I found out that it had open up again I went along to the meeting and because I was holding the cash books etc a vote was taken to make me treasurer, I went along to one more meeting after that done my report and that was that. How they got to where UKIP in Dover is today I do not know but I was emailed telling me I was no longer the treasurer what went on after that has been said before and it is boring anyway.But I am still a member and hold a cash book with a small amount of funds in it.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#3
I have had a trawl through to page 4 of the forum to search out whatever it might be that is being ignored.
Of the few posts that there are that were begun by KB I found one on which you posted Barrie, at 8:55 this morning. Is this the thread/post you refer to as being ignored?
You seem to have a very healthy disregard for the 'Dead Tree' media which is not only fair enough, but is hardly controversial and in need of further comment.
P.S.
It is a common enough thing on Forums such as this, and in commenting in general on the internet, that one begins with an over inflated regard for one's own outpourings, and an unrealistic expectation that what we write must/will-certainly invoke others to respond.
It is really no bad thing that this is otherwise.
If it was another thread altogether do let me (and everybody else) know.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#4
Tom, it was the 'Peter Hitchens' post I was referring to, which has subsequently been replied to. I am not trying to be either controversial or egotistical, merely trying to point out that some people (in general, not just on this forum) will suck up any propaganda that matches their world view. This is what I mean when I talk of a 'cut and paste' mentality. I understand perfectly well what it means, and how it applies to the internet (how to 'suck it up' though?), but I was using the expression as a euphemism. (I think thats the right word).
You don't appear to fall into the above category, and seem to be able to think for yourself, but I must ask, a little tongue in cheek, what does 'it really is no bad thing that this is otherwise' actually mean ?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#5
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#6
#4
That it is a good thing, something that allows a poster to attune their aim. A good thing that the onus is upon the poster to engage with the rest of the club, and not expect others to attend them.
To be left un-responded to from 9am to 2pm and then to state, "leading me to believe I'm being ignored" without actually saying just what is being ignored, or where, was a little puzzling for me too, but I managed.
You have learned something thus far Barrie, that will help you. You now know just what to do to get some laughing.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#7
I'm sorry Tom, I've learned nothing. I can't work out what the chuckling emote is chuckling at.
The reason that I said I felt ignored was that I answered a specific request, quite eloquently I thought, and failed to get a reply. I'm well known for my short attention span and impatience so I would certainly go along with the reasoning that it was more down to me than anyone else.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
it takes a while to understand tomspeak, i hope to crack the code prior to leaving my mortal coil.
Jan Higgins
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#9
I have given up trying to understand "tomspeak" life is to short to put in the effort needed.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#10
It's so nice to be bringing so many disparate people together. Ahhh!
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
Did you mean desperate people tom?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
To give a personal opinion, if a party is doing well, there will inevitably be detractors who will try to sabotage its success.
If you're campaigning in or for a party, the trick is to avoid debate with known detractors, and address the wider public.
The reason being, even if you presented a bucket of gold, a detractor would call it quite something else.
The wider public who rarely talks of politics could be interested if you have something interesting to offer.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#13
How would it be possible to have a debate on any subject if there are no detractors ?
If two, or two hundred all support the motion, its surely not a debate. I can't work out what it would actually be, a sycophantic conversation maybe.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
here lies the problem as we have/had so many ukip supporters here, by far the largest party on the forum in the last few years.
keith b is the only one that has lasted the course despite the musical chairs of who is chairperson.
watty raised the subject of ukip/labour as announced by a top quality blue blogger recounting a conversation he had outside the theatre of dreams before a west ham home game.
i have raised the subject of wh ukip wiped the board back in may but done nothing in dover and deal, no answer.
lord ripley is a member so can shoot me down in flames if he wishes to do so.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
Barrie, a debate ideally should be over an issue, or issues.
But so often, it degenerates into tit for tat shouts, such as in Parliament during question time,
Often it submerges into deriding a party or a person in its - or their - entirety, rather than discussing the actual ISSUE.
Sometimes happens on the Forum too.
It's ALWAYS better to have a superior Cause, a Faith, that is above politics, because one will also need it.
Detractors will go for a party or a specific person come what may, rather than actually DISCUSS an issue.
They'll make you talk in circles pretending not to understand what you said 1,000 times.
Advice: keep out of politics unless you are fully in possession of your nerves, and have a place to retreat to where NO-ONE with an obsession can reach you. A detractor's aim is usually to do your nerves in.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
You may compare a detractor to a player on a football pitch whose job is to mark a player from the opposite side, and in really bad cases the "marker" will aim a "good old kick" at the ankle.
There is nothing to discuss with a detractor!
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#17
Thanks Alexander, I understand your point now. Some of the points I made remain unanswered, I assume so that I will give up in frustration. No problem there, I'll give up now without becoming frustrated, with the final comment on UKIP being that if they start to become a serious threat to the two and a quarter big parties, they can expect the media (including the 'impartial' BBC) to start launching attacks just as they did to Nick Griffin on question time.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#18
If you want out of the EU vote ukip,, simples
The 3 party's that have been responsible for the mess we see today.
Have ALL been in power, and enriched them selves,
Blair has made over £50 million ,mandelson is a shilling behind him.
Don't believe them so called socialist , the Milibands are dripping rich,
Theirs no difference in labour or Tory they have ALL stolen from the pot.
Ukip needs people to join the party so we can finances elections candidates,
So voters have an alternative for there votes come voting day
I whish we had the cash to get the message over , but we simply do not have big rich donors funding us.
IF we did I personally would start to worry ,I don't want the rich influencing ukip
Hopefully ukip will remain a party that supports the British first
If that's racist ,so be it
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#19
They are not that poor Mr Bibby just the HQ will not help out the local groups ,they have cash and persons that have it to,but they will not part with it.Do not think that they do not.When I was chairman we was always diging deep into our own pockets you wait till election time you will find out we had to find the cash for me to stand for MP and local elections .You will not get much help from HQ in fact they will be asking you for some.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
i thought they were bankrolled at the start by a multi millionaire, i think his name was sykes, can't remember the full details.
