howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,560
"Lewisham Road is a highly rated area and people don't live there to look out at lorries."
Shame.
Were these lorries foreigners or just locals?
Have they been back since 25th July?
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
- Posts: 1,031
Representatives from all local councils and businesses were invited to two meetings to discuss this and the lighting removal, in January and March 2013, and the order for closure was signed in May 2013 - there was a virtually unanimous objection to both proposals by all present.
The Highways Agency suggested lorries would travel on to or stop at the laybys near Canterbury (which meet modern standards even less but are still open!) and the photo below shows the pair of laybys between the Whitfield and Jubilee Way roundabouts which are exactly the same design but are still open, so no logic in that decision at all.
All councils should have a form for residents to report incidents to the Highway Agency so that an accurate record can be kept of where problems are occurring and to what extent. It used to be available for downloading from the
Lydden parish website but had dropped off the bottom, I've put it back to the top again if anyone would like to use it.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
madam chairman wants to come up aycliffe,to see how hgv's park up. here.aycliffe is to posh for lorries to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
We had a lorry come down into the close at 0100hrs in the morning as it try to back out of the close it took two cars out one was a right off
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
only two vic,we had 15 cars 2 walls and 6 street lights all taken out.in one night.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Try to be more understanding Brian, we are only working class and cannot understand the angst that "nice" people suffer when confronted by a lorry.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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What is being said is rubbish I am working class and River is just apart of Dover there is nothing high about living out here yes it is one of the better parts to live in the town and I am lucky to live there but that is all and Mr Dixon we are only a very small close not on the size of where you are .
It should not happen anywhere and when it does none of us feel happy about it.
But stop this rubbish thinking about living out at River we are the same as you all are and I am happy to be that way .
Mr Mcsweeney you are well out of order with your remarks that you have wrote above and should take them off.I would report it but as it is yourself it would go to no point in doing it.
But as a member of the running staff of the Dover forum you should be the last person to make remarks like that.
And I understand why we have less members now and even more not posting .
So please pack it in or give up your post.
Yes there are some very nice house,s in parts or River that cost a lot to own one but that can be the same for lots of parts and parishs around the town of Dover,
But the public that own them have worked hard to get them they do not give them out for free.
But back to the lorrys I do think they should do more where Mr Dixon is to stop that happing when it happens it does stop any cars getting in and out and it is always at night when most are in bed not fun if you have a young family and need to get up to get to work.
Cannot one of the road sighs that roll and lights up at nights when there are hold ups it tells the drivers of lorrys and cars do not turn left as it is a dead end it can be put into Eu languages so all can read they have them over there that come up in English to.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 509
There you go Brian, Vic's road is much smaller than yours, haha. Its not Howard that has set the tone for this post, its the lady who has been quoted in the article, although she should at least be given due credit for closing her blinds whilst getting dressed so as not to upset the lorry drivers.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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There are other ways round where you are Mr Dixon the KCC could make the road going over the top a better road and seal off where the big round about is and do away with the round about and in that way it would be safer for all . and stop what is happing now to where you are.
Or seal half the road off leading up to where you are make it one way in via m/hill out via the a20 that would also stop any lorrys and cars going in that way.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
vic aycliffe is a cul-de-sac one way in,one way out,weather the lorries park on the roundabout or on the estate it causes problems.when this happens peoples lives are at risk as the emergency services cant get to where they need to go.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
Speaking of lorries, quite often here on the Terrace we have a problem of wing mirrors being knocked off. It's always wise to fold them in. However a few days ago a lorry came along and thought he could squeeze through without mounting the pavement.
Inevitably he took off the wing mirror of the first car. Realizing this he then compounded the problem by putting his left lock on to mount the pavement with his front wheels. This had the effect of swinging his rear overhang out and scraping along the car and smashing the glass in the nearside door, hooking the pillar and shunting the car forward.
Many phone calls were made and to their credit the DHL drivers then found some polythene to cover the car.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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It was explained at the meeting last January that there are two reasons for the problem of trucks parking on roads - the lack of suitable facilities, and many drivers not being able to use those facilities because their company wouldn't cover the cost. Until those causes are remedied or more free facilities are made available it will continue to happen, arguments about how posh River is have got nothing to do with it.
For interest, list of attendees at the meeting, all local councils and businesses likely to be affected were invited, notable how few turned up.
Subject: Review of lay-bys - Consultation with local partners Meeting Date: 14/01/13
Location: Council Chamber, Dover District Council offices, White Cliffs Business Park, Dover
Attendees: Allison Burton [AB] Dover Town Council
Kevin Bown [KB] Highways Agency [HA]
Paul Biles [PB] Port of Dover
Nigel Collor [NC] Dover District Council [DDC]
Steve Durbidge [SD] Shepherdswell with Coldred Parish Council
Mark Foster [MF] Balfour Beatty Mott MacDonald [BBMM]
Keith Gowland [KG] Kent Association of Local Councils
Liz Gregory [LG] Kingston Parish Council - chair
Dick Hubbard [DH] Lydden Parish Council - chairman
Paul Hodgson [PH] Balfour Beatty Mott MacDonald [BBMM]
Geoffrey Lymer [GL] Dover District Council [DDC]
Gordon Measey [GM] Dover District Council [DDC]
Vic Matcham [VM] Parish Cllr - Lydden, Temple Ewell, Whitfield, River
Ray Newsam [RN] Lydden Parish Council
George Ognibeni [GO] Temple Ewell Parish Council
Rory O'Connor [ROC] Balfour Beatty Mott MacDonald [BBMM]
Simone Rossi [SR] Balfour Beatty Mott MacDonald [BBMM]
Dan Sheppard [DS] Kent County Council - Highways [KCC]
Roger Simcock [RS] Whitifield Parish Council
Val McWilliams [VMW] Bishopsbourne Parish Council
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There is no doubt that Aycliffe suffers the most and as Brian said emergency vehicles are unable to access the estate at times.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr DIXON you have not looked at what I said read it again.
There is nothing posh about River .
But the lorrys we get up here and where Mr Dixon lives has nothing to do with the closed lay-bys on the A2 .
In the case of where Mr Dixon is it is the port.
And where we are is to do with a trading park that has a low bridge over the road ,so the only way in is the street with the c/pub on the corner .they miss that turning and come up to where we are then have to turn around to go back.It does not happen a lot anyway. Aycliffe does suffer the most but as I have already wrote there are ways round stopping that.And the K.C.C. AND THE D.H.B. should share the cost in putting it to right close of Aycliffe to the A20 keeping a pathway open for the public make up the road going over the top to the town and that would end it 100%.or as I also said make it one way by closing half the road off that leads up to Aycliffe at the a20 round about and make that exit only and the way in would be from the town up M/HILL . There you are all done.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Vic re-read what Sue Nicholas said in the Dover Express and quoted by Karlos in post #2 and then you might understand where Brian is coming from.
My opinion is it was a daft idea to close the lay-bys simply because the lorries have to go somewhere so were bound to seek other places to park up..
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Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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It is not about being snobbish (I have been working class all my life and worked on Trucks and buses all of that time earning my living) Artic's once in River have no where to turn without causing problems and if you know River you would understand that. Should a Trucker manage to work his/her way around River, then signs now put up take them past Crabble Corn Mill,. a mill built 200 years ago and not built to withstand 32 ton lorries going by. A good number of you go on about the River Dour, well once a Mill wall gives way (some also 200 year old) there will only be one way for the river to go and that certainly will not be down past Morrisons.
Of course Aycliffe has big problems which came when they built the A20 and I can sympathise with them but having a dig at another area because they have a similar argument is not going to help their cause. Does a lorry hitting more cars in Aycliffe than what one did in River make it right, I think not Brian.
Why when anything comes up about River people start on about being snobs is beyond me, River has problems as well and has the right to shout about them and Sue Nicholas is the elected District Councillor and doing what she should do. I agree with Jan why where the lay-bys closed when all they had to do was the use the money that it cost to close them and put in rubbish bins and facilities for the truckers..
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well said Harry - although Sue is not Parish Councillor, she's a District Councillor.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The EU have said some of our lay-bys need to be longer and wider that is why they closed the EU said that lorrys need more room to get in and out of them before joining up with the main rds.
They have a point but I do not think closing the old ones was a good plan.
When they put in lay bys in now they are build to the new Eu laws.
I do not have anymore to add about River.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
- Posts: 919
Yes of course she is Roger, I have changed it. Sorry Sue but it was late when I posted.
