Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Once again 100 plus tory rebels are grouping together to call for a cut in Wind Farms.
Cleggy and Davey say coalition will go ahead with all environmental measures Huhne started in a letter to Cameron confirming there will be no diluting of his agenda.
Another crack appearing?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Don't get too excited.
The good thing about the Conservative Party is that we are a Party of individuals and we have room for this kind of thing. These are making some very sensible points and they are making a valuable contribution to the debate on wind power.
Brian Dixon
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so not a team then barry,just individuuals.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The best teams are always made up of very different individuals Brian, combining different skills and experience. This is a strength not a weakness.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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More like a fake rebellion to me. Instead of doing something really constructive and putting a stop to all wind farms and the destruction of those already built they sheepishly complained about onshore wind turbines with no real opposition to offshore.
Of course they only put forward the motion because Chris seven houses is out of the picture.
Paper tigers with no real conviction.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They are laying down markers Philip - that is all it is and it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
What was more interesting and I thought you would catch on to it, are the recent comments by the economist Dieter Helm that amount to a damning attack on Huhne's energy policy.
He is is one of the few such who is well regarded by both parties in the coalition.
Interestingly Ed Davey, the new LD Energy Secretary is much better regarded by the Tories and is regarded as more pro-business. The big question is whether he will be able to carry his Party with a more sensible and pro-business energy policy.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Sorry Barry but I couldn't disagree with you more. Laying down markers gets them nowhere. It's rather like complaining behind the bosses back and when he asks what you said you say "Oh nothing, nothing. It's hot today isn't it?"
Much like their "opposition" to the EU they have missed an ideal opportunity to divorce themselves from all green measures put forward and those which are being carried out. If they had any common sense and backbone they would see the myth of global warming for what it is and say enough is enough.
Let's face it there are at least 800 government inquiry's going on at the moment from newspaper ethics to Policing to railways and so on and so forth.
If they had any savvy (which they don't) they would demand an enquiry into whether or not man is warming the planet or not. They haven't because they are running scared.
I did read Deiter Helm's take on it but what good has that done? Nothing except a few complaints on Conservative home which gets us all absolutely nowhere.
Ed Davey will never, never, never go against Clegg and if you saw him on the television this morning you will understand this.
Even when the lights do start going out Cameron and co. will still insist on pursuing these insane policies.
We are doomed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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well spotted philip these little rebellions are more to do with letting their constituents know they are around and not a yes man to dave,
i am sure that flashman is suitably amused and lets them think they are winning a battle.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Absolutely agree with your point Howard. The useful idiots feel like they are doing something and now they can put their feet up for the next couple of months and slavishly queue up in the lobby to vote whichever way they are told to.
The thing about wind farms is that people don't realise that their use creates more carbon (we're all gonna die) dioxide than the use of conventional fuels. When they don't spin they need back up generation from existing fossil fuel power plants and these power plants need to be switched on permanently.
The only people I know who think these things are beautiful are either hippies, socialists or drunks.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Yes they do have a room thats thats full of wind power.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Does Cameron want to be PM of an isolated island?.........................
To keep all the rebels and `disciples`in line does he feed them with the noises they wish to hear..................
.....then like a salmon fisherman,hope,to pull them in at the end of the game..............discuss...........
Keith Sansum1
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As much as baz will put up the flagpole, this cobbled together govt is falling apart
day by day
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Just a thought. There is no real wind to speak of meaning that most wind turbines are not turning during this icy spell. Now if we relied on turbines to power our electricity grid, in a way that environmentalists would have it, I wonder how many people would have died due to the cold?
I suspect it would run into the thousands over the past three days at least.
Yet the best that those 101 could manage was a "P,p,p,p, please sir, can we have no more - at least no more onshore but carry on with offshore........sir?"
While we're here how many businesses would now have shut down? Shops, factories, schools, people's homes dark and cold?
Ah No Philip! I hear you say, we have back up plants to cover times when the turbines don't work?....................
Ahem, you see my point don't you?
Alec Sheldon
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I have to hand it to you PhilipP, you manage to mention wind turbines in nearly every post you make.
I am with you by the way.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I know, I know and I'm really sorry (not). It's just that this issue is THE most important issue in the UK. I really mean it.
It affects everything in our lives from the economy (which is going bust and will go even buster unless Cameron gives up on this guff).
It will affect us in how much we pay for everything and I do mean everything.
It is causing untold damage to the environment and in the not too distant future will leave us with no power and an export of real jobs not those fake green jobs the government promise us.
Forget bankers bonuses, forget the Levinson enquiry, forget all this fluff because it's a mere distraction which most people, if they're honest, don't give a tinker's cuss for.
Environmentalism is a killer - of people and of a nation's economic health.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Joining the coalition trend of rebel groups, Lib/Dems being told they will only obtain 11 seats at the next GE
( that many? ) are forming a rebel group due to Cleggy`s move to the right and his cosying up to the
conservatives.
They say this has been a disastrous and damaging move,they plan to strike up a dialogue with
Labour,Greens and others on the democratic left.
Coalition harmony continues to deteriorate.
As with anything, it is foolish to have all the eggs in one basket.....so a combo of energy solutions is appropriate, not just all wind turbines or all anything else. That doesn't mean we can't use wind turbines.......I am not sure why anyone would simply dismiss a viable source of energy!! And beauty doesn't come into it - or would you tell me that nuclear reactors or electricity whatever-they-are are beautiful??!!
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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But wind turbines are not a viable form of energy. You would be better of buying a small diesel generator at your local hardware store and putting an array of those in place of these bird killers. They are not viable.
There is no country in the world where a single power station has closed down in order that wind energy takes it's place.
In Germany, you know that land of environmental utopianists who hate nuclear and all things carbon, they are actually set to build 26 new coal powered power stations. In fact some of the money they are using to build these killers of mankind is coming from a fund formed to fight climate change.
Har har har har. It sounds like a punchline from a second rate stand-up show but it's true.
Actually I do happen to think nuclear power stations to be beautiful and in years to come books will be written about them and their design will be acknowledged by designers as a thing of beauty. Bear in mind that these plants have a very small footprint in terms of the amount of space they take up whereas wind farms go on for miles and miles and miles.
As you say, har har har har.........
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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For what it is worth the Peach Bottom (Va USA) reactor could turn water into wine...
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/nuclear-accidents-pose-little-risk-health-nrc-183618826.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.