Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#1
Yes, I posted similar picture`s some month`s back about Gaol Lane, but wheely bins were provided and the problem was sorted, (by Roger I believe?). Lo and behold, they`re too lazy to place the bags inside the bins, and no, this isn`t the first time this mess has appeared like this again. ON THE SPOT FINES, the only solution.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#2
Bring back the Old Gaol in Gaol Lane !! And make them clean every scrap up themselves first.
K.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
same problem only worse in the folkestone road colin.
there is not the will to do anything about it, on the spot fines seem the logical solution, as you say.
#4
Sadly DDC do not seem to monitor the situation.
At the Dover Town Neighbourhood Forum Meeting on the 3rd June the DDC Head of Community Development and Waste Services (Roger Walton) showed little intertest when the problem was raised by someone from Folkestone Road.
All that was said was that after rubbish collection days the Contractor has 48hrs (excluding Sat and Sun) to clear any "dropped waste" so in effect this could be around for 4 days if a Friday collection. Also it is the Contractor who is responsible for monitoring the cleaning standards.
I ,as on many other occassions, pushed for more fines on the offenders in respect to general litter but again this was not considered to be implementable by Mr Walton. I again expressed how other towns/cities have resolved their "filth" problem by exercising a strict control including fines.
There is a new Contract being drawn up by DDC and I feel there should be strict standards of delivery within the contract and that it is monitored by DDC who at present seem disinterested in spot checking of the service that we the ratepayers are paying for.There is a National "Clean Britain Awards" scheme that many towns/cities participate in and if the Dover Contract had objectives of say in Year1 to achieve ***, Year 2 ****, Year 3 ***** then this would in effect be one of the measurable standards that are monitored on a independant basis.
The above is how I see DDC in general re the rubbish/filth in Dover. However if there are individual problems (Fly-tipping etc) I have to say in general from our area of Dover the problem has been looked into and generally resolved when reported to DDC.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#5
You would think dropping waste and litter was not an offence the way it is dealt with!!
Why do we have laws and bye-laws at all ???
K.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
pat
you have posted previously on this general subject before and referred to other towns that take action against people who litter or allow their canine to express itself on the pavement.
why does one town find a way of tackling a problem and another seem to just let things ride?
as a for instance down in hastings the name jeremy birch keeps cropping up with regard to decaying and derelict properties.
if i know his name then all at ddc will do too, perhaps they can contact him and have a general chat as to how his council has succeeded in solving that problem.
you mentioned lincoln(i think) as a town that had a zero tolerance policy on littering etc, could our own council not get in touch with them and request advice?
#7
Pat/Howard, two excellent posts, thanks.
My small contribution is to remind our intrepid readers that we in Dover always plump for 'inaction' over 'action'. That is why Canterbury, Deal, Margate, Folkestone, Hastings, Ashford get things done, whilst we just talk about it.
One of the problems as I see it is key roles are filled for years by the same people. There doesn't appear to be a 'management refresh' progamme at DDC. Hence, we find ourselves raising issues about the Planning Dept., the Events Committee etc. We aren't objecting to the existence of those bodies, just their effectiveness.
A good example of improving through change can be readily seen at the DDC reception at Fort Whitfield. Major changes have been made there over the last few years and now it is a really pleasant opening experience for the DDC visiting customer.
Perhaps adopting some of the principles of Gemba Kaizen would bring about an end to some of the atrophy we are suffering from. Living in hopes and happy to help (for a fee of course!)
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#8
All the Parishes (12) are during the course of the next two weeks being judged by the RHS as to the best kept parish/gardens and general cleaniless.Hordes of volunteers have been out planting flowers shrubs and basically giving the place a spring clean.It works here why can't it work elsewhere?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
marek
that is what i am trying to put across, probably works better in a smaller community.
i am not criticising our district council in a negative way, my view is that all councils can learn from each other.
paul the fuhrer (from what i have been told) works his socks off to improve things in our district and is hidebound by red tape and legislation.
things will not change with the new government, even less money to effect changes.
my thinking is that the elite from all local authorities put their heads together and pool information on things that work and are cost effective.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#10
And now for the guilty culprit to be named and shamed. Mr C Gull, who was caught on a security camera.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
#11
The trouble is they put their heads together and agree to appoint massively expensive consultants instead of using common sense.
If the system doesn't work, change it. If the powers that be don't like it, make them or change them. No pain, no gain.
Going back to the Payback Team, I reckon me and Howard could find enough work around town for at least a dozen of them for a year if we sat and planned it. I reckon two pints worth of thinking in the pub should do it. If we can manage that, why can't those with the responsibilty do it? Don't tell me it is complicated.
#12
Could that be the long lost Norman D Seagull by any chance?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
apologies in advance for being repetitive but our roger has listed jobs that need to be done here in dover.
community payback team required, it is now common knowledge that minor felons actually enjoy the work once they get into it.
win win situation.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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#14
As Colin has grahically pointed out above, a prime culprit is Mr. C Gull aided and abetted by Mr. Fox. Both seem to delight in causing as much dispersal of rubbish as possible just before bin day! Actually I don't know why we call in bin day as nobody in my area has a bin - and if they did it probably wouldn't get emptied anyway as SITA only collect bagged rubbish (weekly) and stuff for recycling in black boxes (fortnightly).
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#15
Gaol Lane and other mid-town streets are in what is referred to as Zone 1 areas and are cleaned daily; if they aren't, let DDC waste services know.
There is much work the Community Pay-Back teams can and will be happy to do, they just need to be asked - but someone has to ask them.
Not trying to play the same old record, but as DBS Manager I was making all sorts of suggestions, creating initiatives and projects and getting many agreements on partnership working, but I'm not now the DBS Manager as you all know, so I cannot get involved.
What seems to be happening with DBS is that it appears to be going in the same direction as the old TCM when David Somers was running it.
They do sometimes say that no news is good news, but with DBS, not in this instance.
Roger
#16
Seagulls and foxes are, like us, inhabitants of Dover, the UK and the planet. They are simply finding their breakfast. It is down to us to manage our rubbish appropriately - something we pay for in our taxes etc. As Roger says, above................a little creativity and effort is all that is needed. I say "all"...!!!!!!!!
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#17
Of course Bern, and I should have added above that the real culprit`s are us, always us, any wrong doing by any animal is always down to us.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#18
Here in River the Pay Back team clear our area of rubbish .I sometimes see the remains of Chinese food at our bus stops ,so I phone DDC .
Its no good moaning contact your local councillor and then its up to him or her to get the rubbish cleared .We are always being told how much councillors cost the tax payer .
I have a large enough ward with out gpoing on about the state of a lane in Dover .
On my daily bus journeys I frequently notice problems and try to get them sorted .
I believe there are 18 Town councillors representing Dover Town and 8 District councillors .Do they read the forum one asks ?
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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#19
Quite right Bern (Post #16) but DDC are not exactly helping matters by not allowing some of us the use of wheelie bins or the like. Piles of black bags simply provide an excellent target for vermin of all kinds. A gull cull might go some way to alleviating the problem.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
i find that keeping black bags inside the gate is effective.
where i live people put them outside on the pavement and the gulls/foxes find it a lot easier to attack them.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
