Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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28 February 2010
19:1141592Well its the worst possible scenario for the Conservatives. To wake up on Sunday Morning to see in that fine organ, the Sunday Times, that your poll lead has slipped to just two points..well.. its enough to put you off your round of golf at the country club so it is!
When that great weighty beast dropped onto the doormats of Britain today with a cardiac arresting headline BROWN ON COURSE TO WIN ELECTION....well it must have been a real shocker for some. I bet our very own BarryW will be lying down in a darkened room with two aspirin.
This despite the worst possible nightmare of a week for Gordon Brown. I mean could you plan a worse week if you were Prime Minister??..with the whole nation debating your bullying ,and on top of that your sour relationship with your Chancellor grabbing headline after headline, yet despite all that...the polls tilt in your favour even more. Do we love Gordon's human failings? Its bewildering to the enth degree...but somehow it shows the resilience of Gordon Brown, a few good performances on TV and he is on the ascendancy once again. The Tories seem powerless to stop the early trend dipping away.
Now with Labour cosying up to the LibDems too, anything is possible. Where as once we all braced ourselves for 5 years of the smiling clean cut Dave standing under the portals of number 10..it now might not happen at all.
Young Cameron made a speech today( without notes! if someone mentions without notes again, shoot them!) trying to rally up a tired campaign. It is truly extraordinary that despite Labour appearing to be there for the taking, the Conservatives cant grab the beast and throttle it. Could it be that Cameron and Osborne appear too youthfully lightweight for these hard times?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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28 February 2010
19:2341594Just to say I never use notes all from the head,I am told that I should but that is not me.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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28 February 2010
19:4841597Cameron and Osborne simply do not inspire anybody, airbrushed Cameron is trying to play up to the media whilst Osborne looks the sort you definitely would not buy a second hand car from. Theresa May when interviewed on BBC News24 just fell apart, I truly felt sorry for her.
Paul they simply haven't got what it takes, they change their minds more times than the wind changes direction, we'll drastically cut public expenditure, well perhaps not quite so much, on the other hand perhaps we were right in the first place. Crime figures, teenage pregnancies, married tax allowances all have been wrong, you can't run a country with a bunch of inexperienced boys at the helm.
People are just starting to get a bit worried and beginning to remember the Thatcher years, with its high interest rates, unemployment and homes being re-possessed. God help us all if Cameron does get in because in the words of Al Jolson, "you ain't seen nothing yet".
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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28 February 2010
20:2641600Just waiting for dear old BarryW to pop in and explain this away as not really meaning what it says...
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 665- Registered: 24 Mar 2008
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28 February 2010
20:3341603My thoughts exactly Ross!
I am definitely going to be staying up on election night, it is going to be interesting.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 February 2010
20:4541605the yougov poll is always a good one for the reds, nevertheless still a shock for the blues.
their slogan is now "time for change", what does that mean?
the party faithful do not seem to know what the leadership is going for, yesterday the announcement came that they were trying to grab the centre ground. it worked for blair i doubt if it will work again.
dave makesa good point about the spending, today it was all about dramatic cuts, we have been told recently that there will be new spending on education, the same on education, where will these cuts come from?
28 February 2010
20:5741611
The whole 'change' theme has been borrowed from Obama's campaign. The odd thing is that whilst it does not appear totally unusual to find a black man begging for change it seems rather strange from an old Etonian.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 February 2010
20:5941614wouldn't mind having david cameron's loose change though.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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28 February 2010
21:2441633I notice Barry hasn't responded yet,I think he had a visitor this weekend
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 February 2010
21:3841637that would not surprise me john, a smooth talking lothario like blue barry has his priorities.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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28 February 2010
22:0041644John
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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28 February 2010
22:4441652If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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28 February 2010
23:0641655Now why am I not surprised to find this thread on here.
What is more intriguing is why The Times changed the poll result between editions. The first edition had a 6% lead and three hours later they changed that to 2%. Bear in mind that this is a poll they commissioned and would have been given the report they commission there is something a bit fishy here.
YouGov have recently changed their sampling and weightings and this is causing a lot of speculation among polling experts as well.
Interest and probably helpful to Cameron rather than otherwise.
Not long for you to wait and if you think this country will vote for 5 more years of Gordon Brown's shambolic incompetent regime then you are much mistaken.
Dave1 - have you not looked out there and seen exactly what is happening in the economy lately? As always the Conservative will have to clear up the mess created by a useless Labour regime.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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28 February 2010
23:5341659We have, as I seeit the choice of two party's at the next election, the devil we know and the devil we don't know, the polls would seem to indicate that people are beginning to favour the one they know and becomingincreasingly suspicious of the Tories who they don't know.
You fail to mention the Cameron speech today which would not have been out of place on the Palladium. What did he tell us, nothing, where are the cuts to be made and who will be most affected by them, what actually is his strategy for the economy, truth is he doesn't know himself and it shows.
Right got to fly now Barry, have to airbrush my picture.
Unfortunately we all know in our heart of hearts that the only way out of the present economic disaster is for the Government to either cut expenses or increase revenue (the smoke and mirrors of quantitative easing being the economics of the madhouse inevitably leading to inflation and devaluation of the currency).
This means cutting public sector employment and freezing/cutting public sector pay and benefit payments as well as increasing (for example) VAT to 20%.
It is going to be difficult to get a majority of the electorate to vote for policies which, in the short term, are going to affect the majority of them adversely.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Dave1 - if you think that cuts can be avoided after the mismanagement of Brown then your are seriously misguided.
If you think Cameron will or can set out full details of such cuts now, when in Opposition, then you are living in a dream world. Even the Government which, unlike the Conservatives, is in a position to do so will not do it. At least not until after the election and you can be certain that if they have a budget before the election it will be bogus and will be followed by an emergency one.
As for Cameron's speech. I will be speaking more about Cameron in my blog later so all I will say for now is that it has been well received by the media.
Dont worry about the polls, a wobble is quite normal as are dubious rogue polls (even the Mirror editor admitted on tv it was a rogue).
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the mirror editor would think so, the poll was from the sunday times.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But the Mirror editor is the chief media Labour apologist..... one who tends to big-up anything that might help his Party.
According to the BBC at least Councils understand the future. Between 25,000 and 100,000 job cuts. You ain't seen nothing yet!
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That is an important point. The Government has started the fiscal squeeze already despite trying to rubbish Conservative calls for the tightening to start right now. Its an example of their hypocracy. In this case they are forcing Councils (mostly Conservative controlled) to do their dirty work. bear in mind that around 75-80% of Council spending is obtained from Government, plus rate capping.