Keith Sansum1
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Now whilst baz gives the impression that its all the lib dem wooly lefties that we are still in the E.U our david has made it clear this morning, with or without the LIB DEMS he would remain in the E.U.
On the human rights act, now that's a little different, where cleggy is clear that the human rights is to stay, now how that will pan out is of interest.
best co olition can do is set up a talking shop, unlike the past maybe the lib dems won't cave in on this one, and what will be the outcome for the cobbled together govt.
oh and the new planning laws very unclear if the govt is realy helping communities, or allowing even more powers to build on greenfield sites.
and how much influence will the local community realy have on a planning application in there area?
then of course we have the present crisis.
so theres lots more to come, and interesting times ahead,,,
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes I saw this programme and I saw him saying so. He has said so many times now. His position is clear. There is also a big story today in one of the papers from William Hague also saying the same thing..ie.. he is keen to remain in the EU. So how many more times does Cameron and immediate team need to say it for the penny to drop!...in his own party!
Some of the talking heads suggested on the programme re William Hague, seemingly he was a eurosceptic at one time, but only while out of office. Its one of those stances enjoyed by the baying opposition. They all do it. Adopt a position. Once in office however Mr Hague saw the impact the EU is making on our daily lives and had a generous rethink. So sayeth the mighty wise television pundits this morning...who could argue!?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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They all want to do a Kinnock after the next election. If we are out of the EU- no chance!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It all depends on whether you actually believe exactly what politicians are saying or not. DC said what he is expected to say in the current circumstances in line with official Conservative policy, to remain in the EU and it is absolutely right that he should.
What is different is that the other parts of that policy are being undermined by the LDs, the repatriation of powers and an overall tougher line with the EU. You need only look at the steady shift in opinion in the Party and the frustration of Conservative ministers to see that the position on the EU will move towards one where we will be out eventually. It will not happen tomorrow and it is unlikely to be in the next manifesto but our exit, through a Conservative government is inevitable.
Brian Dixon
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passing the buck barry,dc's slogan should be "the buck stops here".
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there seems to be a strong body of opinion in the party that dave quite likes coalition government and believes that power can only be won by staying in the centre ground.
ed believes otherwise and has taken his party to the left.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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its quite clear DAVID is to stay in the E.U. so no good trying to baffle forumites that the tories want out of the eu because clear today the leader was very clear he does not, more he gave all the benefits of staying in the E.U.
hardly a sign that he wishes to leave, even in the longer term.
so lets not try to give out red herrings.
as to the lib dems, well they are just enjoying there short honeymoon period as they know as a party at the next election they will lose most of there mp's so they just rebuild for the election after that.
in the hope that in 10 years people will forget there judas type act.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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three things here.
dave stressed that 40% of our exports are to the e.u.
a) the same applied when we first joind back in the seventies, then there were 9 countries now there are 20 odd.
b) he failed to mention what percentage of our imports came from the e.u.
c) if he is suggesting that member countries would not trade with us if we left he is being incredibly dumb.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i understand totaly where your coming from
but first is D.C. true to his word or not?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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DC needs to listen to his grass roots both within the party and without. Europe is the issue on which both Labour and the Libdems are most mistrusted and he needs to put clear distance between the Tories and the lefty parties if he is to survive. I must say I have been disappointed by him recently and if he keeps on this track the Tories will not be able to rely on my vote.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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mmmm,red herrings and smokscreens,will the truth come out or will afore said still happen.
the question is,are we a member of the eu, how long for and will this goverment go for full intergration or bail out when things get to rough.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter of course i share your disappointment in DC but for me it was no more than to be expected.
whilst i'm no tory you are correct that D.C. doesn';t appear to be in line with the thinking of the country,
but hey come on give the lad a chance hes got till 2015
or has he ?????
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i see that the home secretary has put out a call for the european convention of human rights to be scrapped and replaced with a bill of rights.
that will go down well with conference, taking the attention away from her poor performance in the job.
Well thats 3 votes in this house he has lost by not letting us have a referendum he is doing what he wants and not what the people want, Sorry Mr Cameron your a arse on this
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alan whilst i agree with you and peter on D.C. the people voted these geezers in
and we are stuck with it until the many ripples come to the front that dc has to go to the country.
howard
you may have heard on the andy marr show cameron told those that bothered to listen that he recognised that cleggy won't budge, so they have agreed a commission to look into the human rights.
but cleggy wont budge or will he ??????
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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dave and nick could cobble something together keith.
dave has two choices as i see it, he can either give him a concession on another issue or alternatively give him a chinese burn.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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or dc could slap cleggy across the face with a wet fish
usualy works lol
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alan - its only worth having that referendum when we will win it and get out of the EU. Timing is everything and make no mistake we will not win it yet regardless of what polls may say. Have that referendum at the wrong time and we could be stuck in the EU farce for good. The EU still needs to take a bit more rope to finally hang itself first. We can be sure it will.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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We are in it. Get over it. Get on with it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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didnt someone say
whilst im living a life of luxery
you lot get on your bikes and find work
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