howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 February 2009
20:1814487today was a very sad one for the governent, the PM made a total prat of himself by stating that "british jobs for british people" did not mean that at all. he then went on to say how bad wildcat strikes are, does he think people do this lightly ?
he then said that as a member of the european union, we had to accept everybody from one of those countries and give them job opportunities, again untrue.
lord manifold then explained that there was no discrimination involved in these construction projects, again untrue.
the local workers were not given a chance to apply, they were sent out to tender through contractors.
the blue lot seem very reticent to support the workers of this country who are seeing their jobs being taken away.
the far right must be loving all this.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 February 2009
20:2214488just spotted bern's post, that is the exact scenario we are heading for.
MP's and government ministers have been advising the top brass for a long while about the alienation being felt by
the indigenous working class that feel they are being left behind in matters like jobs and housing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
07:4414509You have perhaps seen in Brown what I have for years, Howard.
Why is it that under the so called 'Party of the workers' we get far more strikes than under Conservative Governments? Labour though is in reality far more 'the Party of the shirkers'.
Yes, the far right do feed on this kind of thing, but it is important for the Conservative not to appear extreme, DC has a difficult balancing act.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
08:2814513This is one of the many problems that being a member of the EU brings.
Some beaurocrat thinks up an idea and it then gets accepted across the board, no matter how adversely it might affect the local work-forces.
Maybe there should have been a clause inserted, for whenever these current kind of financial problems or recessions occur, that "native" labour should be used first.
The trouble is that "protectionism" can be counter-productive for growth.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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2 February 2009
08:4314515i dont think that this problem is just a uk one or the making of the eu,it has become a problem europe wide, and it stems from the old comminist bloke countrys.the pay is two or three times higher here than it is over there.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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2 February 2009
09:3014521BarryW, "it is important for the Conservatives not to APPEAR extreme"? Does this mean that they are really but don't want to show it? And 'party of shirkers', generalising much?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
09:4214523Chris - the answer is simple, no we are not extreme but it would be a gift to Labour and Libdems if we enabled them to paint us as such.
As for Labour being the Party of shirkers, they certainly are that more so than a so called 'party of the workers'. Hence my point, get a Labour Government and you get more strikes.
Sid Pollitt
2 February 2009
12:4714533I think that maybe some of those who are rehashing the same old tired rhetoric of the 1980s are actually still living in that decade.
2 February 2009
13:1814537More strikes under Labour? erm...Thatcher...?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
13:2414539The transitional pangs of reforming the economic base Bern. Once her reforms were established the levels of industrial action reduced dramatically, once the miners dispute was out of the way far better industrial relations were instituted accross the board and management was able to manage once again. Indeed the miners strike would likely have never happened if Scargill obeyed the law and called a secret strike ballot.
Sid Pollitt
2 February 2009
13:3414540Smashing communities and destroying families were just 'the transitional pangs of reforming the economic base'. A very dogmatic response in my opinion, but it did confirm my thoughts over 1980s.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
13:4214541It was inevitable, Sid. The huge subsidies, high inflation, high taxes and industrial inefficiency of the 1970's was unsustainable. There had to be reform or we would have been left with an economy resembling Albania's. Something the left conveniently ignore.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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2 February 2009
14:3214546so much for tory reform,due to the tory reforms we are suffering.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
16:3114553So Brian, you would rather that our economy continued to sink under the weight of high taxes, high inflation and high subsidies to keep people in jobs producing goods no-one will buy even at subsidised prices. What happened was necessary, indeed essential and we are all better of because of it. Like they say, you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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2 February 2009
18:3314565we all alowed to make misstakes barry the torys made a big one which will take anther 30 years to sort out.
Sid Pollitt
2 February 2009
18:4614567There's been calls recently for a government bank to take on the needs of lending to bussiness. We had a national bank until the Tories sold it off. They tried to sell off TSB too but were told that it didnt belong to them so they forced its sale anyway [no dogma there, not]. This was probably the start of the demutualisation of institutions that has in hindsight been costly to the UK economy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 February 2009
19:0214570yet again a serious issue has been taken over for party political point scoring on here.
the main political parties in the country have made it clear that skilled british workers have no choice but to watch
their livelihoods being taken away.
our main politicos steer clear of the subject in case they go against their masters and instead dabble in the yah boo stuff.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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2 February 2009
20:2914577and then dc goes and plays snowballs with his friends,just goes to show how chidish the are getting.talk about going back to basics.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 February 2009
20:5914581Nothing wrong with a game of snowballs, we all are entitled to a bit of fun at times, even when on business.
2 February 2009
21:1114584The Childrens society has launched a report claiming that British children have a harder time now than ever before. Leaving aside how much better it must have been to be forced up chimneys, or that children in other poorer countries are forced into prostitution, there is a part of the report (a small part) that I can agree with - the greedy nature of society and the changes in demographics have indeed reduced childrens access to a proper two-parent home with one parent working part time or not at all, and that change was led by Thatcher. The need to travel distances to work ( and Lord Malaprop seems to think we should travel even further and go to another country to find work, presumably on our bikes in order to meet the Governments green targets), the reduction in social housing forcing people to earn more in order to buy or to rent from high-charging private landlords, the impact all that has on relatiionships and families, the propogation of the throw away society which affected our views on everything including relationships, and the ever growing need to feed the Capitalist Owners of our Brave New World, all this leaves children flailing about in a sea of broken homes, absent parents, stressed families worried about the next pay packet and without real roots or family support because they have moved about so much to follow the work.