Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#1
The poll - which was not a referendum - spoke clearly: 75% of Dover's electorate declined to vote for either the DHB privatisation proposal or for the P/p trust proposal. I am one of those people who did not vote in the poll, owing to my dislike of both proposals.
I know many people in Dover who told me that they did not agree with either proposal.
This leaves the road open for the campaign in favour of the third option!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#2
So what are you going to do about it? Just sit on the sidelines with Vic like Waldorf & Statler and continue to hurl abuse at the winning team? Or form an organised group, find funding, design and implement a media campaign, take your well-reasoned arguments to Number Ten, get well-respected business figures to support you, get a cross-party consensus in favour of maintaining the status quo? (sorry Vic!).
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#3
The winning team? I think the 25% put a full stop to that!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#4
So organise your own referendum and see how you get on with your question? By the way, what would your question be?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#5
Alexander - can you go and take some?
You know many people in Dover who told you they did not agree with either proposal?
Everybody I spoke to (apart from Vic whose view I will respect but discount for this instance as it's a given) agreed with the proposal as it was voted. Do you think it might be possible for you to now leave this alone? Please? It's boring reading your posts as it is and having to wear out a mouse to skip past whatever posting you write (as long as they are) is a complete and utter bore!
Oh, and by the way, I know that as I took a pole
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#6
Tony, I can imagine that the turnout at the poll did not go your way, but that is simply too bad for you! It has been publicised for many months, even on national TV, and now all over a sudden everyone has to shut up to do you a favour?
Did anyone tell the p/p campaigners to shut up all these months while they were busily campaigning in Dover and in London? No!
The answer of Dover to this very long campaign has come clearly this evening. Now Dover Town Council must also foot the bill. Not that I am being unfair here, I mean, ok, the poll cost some public money, fair enough, it was worth paying for.
But that now everyone must shut up only three hours after the polling stations have closed, is nothing more than bad loosing, Tony.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#7
Alex, imagine away my friend. Are you really such a sad individual.
Does defeat cause your cause a problem? You try to change every thread round to suit your own mind? You answer your own posts with your own answers / the answer to you did indeed come on the evening of the result. That answer was that the people of Dover are in favour of the port being in the control of the people of Dover.
What I asked for you to do was give up now. Nothing to do with losing, just walk away from the battle head held high - is possibly best.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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#8
Bizarre
a poll can only be won or lost on the basis of the votes actually cast (with one exception under UK law) rather than the proportion of the actual electorate.
In this instance 25% of the local population after a very short campaign and with truncated voting times actually managed to get out and vote and overwhelmingly voted in favour of the motion.
That is under law a done deal.
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
This is hard to believe, Ross! A done deal! Firstly, this was not a referendum, as was pointed out to me clearly and precisely by an official at the polling station.
Until now the supporters of the p/p trust have been proclaiming it a referendum.
A poll is not binding, and this poll has been preceded by months of campaigning at all levels: on national TV, in the local papers, on the Forum, at the seafront, on the Web, through campaigning leaflets.
Under law, what deal is done, Ross? A referendum is biding, but not a poll!
The wording of the poll did not leave any option for anyone to vote in favour of Dover Port maintaining its royal charter status, which is also that of a national asset, and so whoever was not in favour of the polls options could not vote, including myself and people I know personally.
Nor did the poll offer a proposal that the Port of Dover could be administered by a local Council (Town, District or County), which would have been my only interpretation of it passing to the Community of Dover (or of Kent).
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#10
Ross, the p/p does not represent the Dover Community, and is a private trust, with no authority over Dover's Ports!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#11
75% of Dover's Community did not vote either for one or the other proposals presented by the p/p in the poll. p/p does not represent Dover Commiunity.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#12
Give it a rest Alex, you've lost... the plot.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
Tony, the p/p plan was valid until December 2010; Gov. did not accept it, so p/p tried it out in Dover, and the vast majority did not go for it! This is a sufficient poll as to the sentiments of Dover's people regards the p/p proposal, as the wording in the poll left no other alternative for many people than not to take part in it.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#14
Please don't bother writing such utter rubbish Alexander. It is really tiresome to read the nonsense you write.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
I bet you've never stayed up this late, Tony, replying to all my posts one at a time!
Has it something to do with this evening's poll turnout?
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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#16
Actually Alexander, I'm usually up till 3-4 in the morning as I have to talk to people on the other side.
If I wished to be enlightened I can think of far better-equipped posters with whom I'd rather correspond. Sorry, no offence but you bore myself and everybody else on this forum. That's a poll I did myself by the way
I'm going to finish now as I have far more important things to do than read any more of your banal scribblings.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
On 'the other side' Tony, spooky....
Talking to Alex though you really are talking to someone on 'the other side' - even spookier....
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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#18
do we need a medium on here.?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#19
You may be right Brian...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
all getting bit personal on this thread, best to stick to the issues i think.