Guest 699- Registered: 3 Jun 2010
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18 November 2010
18:0180702#1
saw the lulu programme on the sixtes at 9.15 bbc1 --------- talking about scooters , mods and rockers
happened to mention there was `100% employment for all youngsters in 1962/63
thinking back to charles and diana wedding 1981 , my son in his 20,s got his first house in clarendon for about £ 17, 000
so youngsters could work hard and have a goal --- an affordable mortage ( wont mention the craze at time of endowments ! )
SO NOW TO 2011 , and william and kate,s wedding ------ the youngsters -- no chance of a mortage , no chance of university and knowing that in 5/6 years there will be less jobs as women dont retire to 65
and to think that to me that charles and diana wedding omly seemed like yesterday !!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 November 2010
18:4880711#2
that is right ron, you could leave school and get a job on the monday morning, i remember all that talk of endowments mortgages in the early seventies, stone bolt certainties we were told.
a few people had their fingers burnt.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 November 2010
19:1780724#3
If anyone were told endowments were 'stone bolt certainties' then they were lied to! A lot of early endowments though did very well, I remember someone who's endowment when it matured about 10 years ago did so at double the target amount! Their day ended really when LAPR ended but that is another story. I actually had one with my first mortgage in 1980, again my first house was a mere £17,000 up in Lowther Road.
Back then though, until the early 80's, mortgages were rationed and not easy to come by.
Not sure about the 100% employment though in the 60's - it was going up sharply at that time. In 1970 it reached 1,000,000 for the first time and that was when the workforce was a lot smaller with most married women in the home! I remember that because I looked at the headline then as a 15 year old school leaver and mentioned to a mate that it was now 1,000,002 to include the two of us.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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18 November 2010
19:1880725#4
Ah yes Ron it was all different then. Houses were available to all and there were plenty of jobs. So many jobs that there werent enough people to fill them, I suspect looking back now with the benefits of hindsight, thats exactly what led to the massive influx in immigration in the end.
Charles and Diana had a fairy tale wedding its true, that girl absolutely captured the worlds media on a massive scale, I suspect her popularity was unprecedented in recent times. Unlikely to be surpassed this time around. At her funeral the need for extraordinary shrill grief was there for all to see...filling some empty need in people I guess. It was a perplexing show of the surreal.
Youre right no chance of a mortgage, although re the university situation...
there wasnt a cats chance in hell for ordinary people getting into university then either. This all changed with the arrival...and ok Im bringing politics into it...with the arrival of New Labour whose policy was to get everyone into university. We now alas are in danger of going back to elitism in terms of universities. Pity.
18 November 2010
19:2380726#5
Would that be the New Labour who introduced fees for tuition thereby spitting on anything to do with real and meaningful education? Sorry - it slipped out. I will stop now.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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18 November 2010
19:2580727#6
I think the idea was though Bern that masses more people were to go to university rather than the well nourished few with full wallets.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 November 2010
19:2880728#7
Far too many were/are being sent to Uni. Many doing dumbed down degrees. Madness.
DT1- Location: Dover
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18 November 2010
19:3980729#8
I think Paul, Mrs T actually enabled the masses to go to university by providing a grant for poorer students to have their tuition fees paid. This period created many of the 'dumbed down' and 'meaningless' degrees that people refer to. It was New Labour that scrapped this. They have made an interesting mess between the two of them.
18 November 2010
19:4580730#9
That is very true. Neither has respected education any more than the other. Education, learning, developing, growing - knowledge for the sake of knowledge, exploring stuff - has all been rendered meaningless by successive tinkering and meddling. When I was younger there was a thirst for knowledge and people who mastered it were respected. That dumbing down of intellectual topics and the creation of "degrees" in bottom sniffing and creative brow-wiping have made a mockery of it all. I am, as you can probably tell, appalled.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 November 2010
20:0780732#10
education is similar to the health service, politicians love to tinker with them both so that they leave a legacy.
for example "baker days"!!
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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19 November 2010
00:0480750#11
We had choices of jobs when we left school or college, and would no doubt have taken most if not all of them, but today young people seem very choosy.
I agree, there seem to have been far too many students go off to University -- what for, just to build up big debts and then unable to find work. Surely better to get some experience of work, skills, trades and apprenticeships, unless they know they can get a good professional job by studying more.
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Brian Dixon
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19 November 2010
07:4080755#12
but are you better of signing on with a degree.[at least you would understand the paper work].
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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19 November 2010
08:0180760#13
While there are indeed poor quality courses, dumbed down courses , we still mustnt lose sight of the fact that more ordinary kids from ordinary homes are going to university these days to do very worthwhile courses in science, medicine, economics or whathaveyou.
Lets not lose sight of this advancement.
In the Sixties as Ron mentions above very few went. It was just for the 10% or so.
Lets do a bit of maths here..pay attention at the back there
Lets say in the Sixties 10% went to Uni
Lets say last year 40% went to Uni
Lets say 10% did rubbish dumbed down courses.
Thats still a huge new wave of advancement, a new wave of students doing worthwhile courses to benefit all, nation and family.
Now these figures arent accurate but just used there to illustrate a point. Its too easy to dismiss the increased numbers at university using the dumbed down argument.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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19 November 2010
12:2380768#14
i agree with ron to,as i left school in the sixties.no shortage of jobs in them days.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 November 2010
12:4080769#15
Except PaulB many of these graduates cannot spell, write a business letter and have no life skills.
Ask employers, you will find that only too often their degree education is less impressive than A level graduates of 20-30 years ago.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 November 2010
12:5980771#16
just as an add on to this debate, i knew of a chap that had a degree in computer science, problem was he could not operate one.
the university considered it a lessening of the academic content of the course.
luckily after being unemployed for 6 months the job centre sent him on a 4 month course to get a nvq2 qualification.
19 November 2010
14:3180778#17
FFS. It is true, a degree is less impressive now than it was, which is frustrating for those who have worked hard and achieved a good academic degree worth celebrating. Again, though, I have to say it isn't just the degrading of a degrees worth academically, but a general disrespect for learning as a concept that I struggle with.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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19 November 2010
17:1180798#18
A couple of years ago I checked through which courses you could get free on benefits, presumably in order to help you get work. Among them were Needlework, cross-stitch and pottery (not even given the credibility of 'ceramics') and yet driving lessons were not included. You can, of course, get an NVQ in 'administration' for which the evidence has to include such vital aspects as photographic evidence that you know how to lick an envelope.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Keith Sansum1
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19 November 2010
17:1880799#19
just on the jobs front
i joined timanstone colliery 1n 1973 in 1974 i left timanstone on the friday and started with british rail on the monday
and lasted 25 years there
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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19 November 2010
18:0680802#20
In 1970 I had a mid-week argument with my supervisor, disappeared for an interview that afternoon (found in the paper) and began a new job the following Monday. At that time it was all too easily done. However, now that every desk has a computer on it many of the jobs that you could once walk into, filing, secretarial, stock-taking, record keeping, no longer exist. Casual labouring jobs, once plentiful, now require qualifications and very, very few firms consider on-the-job training (except teaching where it has become essential to close the school once a term to continue training teachers).
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
