Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mrs T Peter. She certainly had both essential qualities and more besides one of this country's greatest PMs.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Too autocratic Barry. She didn't listen and her opposition to the miners was too much. There was another way but she avoided it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yes she was loved or hated in equal measures, hence divisive.
not the hallmark of a great leader.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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She was 100% on the button with the miners who were on a self-destruct course that they thoroughly deserved Peter. There was no other way, they wanted confrontation and thought they could force her into the same position as they did Heath and they failed.
Howard - no leader was more divisive before the war than Churchill so you would have said the same thing about him in 1939 I suspect. Mrs T is hated by the left because of her success in defeating them and reversing decades of 'the ratchet affect'. We need her like now.
Jan Higgins
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Mrs Thatcher was good when she started, by the end she thought she ruled the country and was too dictatorial.
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Keith Sansum1
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JAN;
Your totally correct on maggie, she swept into power much like blair going to do so much, but by the end of it she became a dictator not listerning even to the warning by her own party.
and in the end her own party destroyed her, working behind her back to bring her down.
i have not agreed with much that magge did, but respected she looked after her own, something that blair didnt learn enough from.
but getting back to the orignal post
the scottish conservatives are clearly saying theyt want to distance themselves big time from the conservative party, because it is so unpopular in scotland.
obviously this is not just in scotland these days
but i fully understand why the scottish conservatives would want to distance themselves from leaderless dave
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - at the end of her time Mrs T was at odds with pro-EU members of her government and had been forced by Major (and most of the establishment including the CBI, Unions, the media and the other political parties) into allowing entry into the EMU. In the end it was she who was proven right when in Major's time EMU collapsed in a shambolic 'black' or perhaps I should say 'white' Wednesday. That hardly resembles a 'dictator' who did not listen. In the run up to joining EMU she and her adviser, Alan Waters, fought them all over this issue, even the Mail had a headline saying she should 'listen to her brilliant Chancellor'. If only she was such a dictator as you suggest, we would never have joined EMU while she was premier. Perhaps your impression of her as a 'dictator' who did not listen reflects an impression of that period when she and Sir Alan were right and all the rest were wrong!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Nothing interesting to say then Keith? - unlike Jan.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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baz;
comments have been made by others posts 22 23 25 and my own 26
realy no point going over and over the same thing
at the end of the day
the scottish conservatives say they are unable to get elected under the poor showing of leaderless dave and the cobbled together govt
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